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gamefreak
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 Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 9:53 pm Post subject: What the hell happened to the Republican Party |
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Many people out there associate the Republican Party as a bunch of Non-Envitonmentally Friendly, Pro-Buisness/ War Mongers who believe in Fiscal Irresponsibilty, Moral Corruption, Deregulation while still putting on a good face for Evangalist Christans.
That is what I have to say about them now. However that wasn't always true before Mr. C- Average Movie Actor created a conservative platform within the Republican Party. In Fact the Republicans were actually Liberal before Reagan came in.
Example-
Abraham Lincoin
Teddy Roosevelt
Dwight Eisenhower
These three presidents including FDR, Truman, Jefferson, Carter, and LBJ were among the most Liberal Politicans this country has seen. Compare Eisenhower to Barack Obama and FDR and you will see simularities.
http://wikipedia.org/
P.S- Sorry for the Liberal Bias in this thread. It is a personal opinion and is nothing to be taken seriously. |
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skafather84
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| Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:39 am Post subject: |
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LBJ sucked.
carter was mediocre but a victim of a very effective smear campaign by the republicans. he's not nearly as bad as they'd have you believe but he's no ghandi like he's trying to pretend he is now.
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Sand
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| Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 1:03 am Post subject: |
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Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the Comedian is the only thing makes sense.
I am not amused. |
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skafather84
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| Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 1:15 am Post subject: |
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| Sand wrote: | Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the Comedian is the only thing makes sense.
I am not amused. |
it's not my fault the joke goes over your head.
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Hbomb89
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Not all Republicans were the mean, corrupt, dishonest SOBs many democrats and liberals like to make them out as.
You had some pretty honest men in the party, like Barry Goldwater. I may not agree with Barry Goldwater's libertarian stances but I really like his hands-off approach to Cold War foreign policy, but then the a-holes in LBJ's campaign swiftboated him with that damned infamous daisy girl ad...
I bet the US wouldn't have gotten itself stuck in Vietnam if Goldwater were president from 1964-1968.
Contrary to popular beliefs, Richard Nixon wasn't that bad of a president. Sure there was the Watergate scandal and yeah, he didn't fulfill his promises entirely on the Vietnam issue back then, but some of the people in his administration were actually pretty good foreign policy geniuses when it came to Eastern Asia. Increased relations and dialogue with mainland China, not just the US-friendly Republic of China (which only covered Taiwan after 1949.) If it weren't for Nixon, Kissinger and the Reformists within the Chinese Communist Part ranks, The Chinese would still be holding ideologically charged grudges against the US. We would probably be butchering each other over Taiwan...that would not be a pretty sight.
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ToadOfSteel
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| Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 9:53 am Post subject: |
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| Hbomb89 wrote: | | Contrary to popular beliefs, Richard Nixon wasn't that bad of a president. Sure there was the Watergate scandal and yeah, he didn't fulfill his promises entirely on the Vietnam issue back then, but some of the people in his administration were actually pretty good foreign policy geniuses when it came to Eastern Asia. Increased relations and dialogue with mainland China, not just the US-friendly Republic of China (which only covered Taiwan after 1949.) If it weren't for Nixon, Kissinger and the Reformists within the Chinese Communist Part ranks, The Chinese would still be holding ideologically charged grudges against the US. We would probably be butchering each other over Taiwan...that would not be a pretty sight. |
I've even had many far-left people tell me that Nixon would have been a great president if it weren't for his fear of losing re-election (which perpetuated the watergate raid that caused the scandal)...
Anyway, my own views:
I hate how republicans view Reagan as something of a savior. Often people will credit his economic policies for defeating the Soviet Union (while the Soviet Union was already collapsing on its own, with no external pressure), and use that as validation to keep using Reaganomics as an economic policy... |
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Hbomb89
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| ToadOfSteel wrote: |
I hate how republicans view Reagan as something of a savior. Often people will credit his economic policies for defeating the Soviet Union (while the Soviet Union was already collapsing on its own, with no external pressure), and use that as validation to keep using Reaganomics as an economic policy... |
The Soviet Union was already in decline before Reagan became president since the mid-70s when their treasury coffers started to run dry from having to support such a large government and humongous military, the Chinese were no longer an important ally to the Soviets thanks to the Sino-Soviet split during Krushchev's reign and the reforms in the PRC and much of Eastern Europe were becoming wary of Soviet rule. Revolts broke out in Poland, Estonia and Lativa. Believe it or not, the Catholic and Orthodox churches also played a big role in weakening the Soviets by giving encouragement to more people in the Soviet bloc to revolt against the decaying Soviet Union. Then there is also Glastnost and Perestroika.
Lech Walesa, Mikhail Gorbechev, the Pope, the Patriarchs and weak post-Brezhnev Soviet leaders are more responsible for the Soviet collapse.
The only thing Reagan did was telling them to "tear down this wall."
Ironically enough, Republicans see Reagan as a "savior" of America even though most of the economic problems we face right now, the budget deficit and our collossal national debt are some of the long term results of Ronald Reagan's presidency.
"We live in a Ronald Reagan America." - my AP Gov teacher
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monty
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| Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Hbomb89 wrote: |
The only thing Reagan did was telling them to "tear down this wall."
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Yes, Reagan also said "Tear down those solar panels, Mr. White House Architect." That ended the solar push that Carter started, and most of the smaller innovative solar companies were bought by the Japanese. |
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Fnord
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| Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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The fear-mongering Neo-Cons took over, leaving us with no organized political party worth voting for.
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Hurricane_Delta
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| Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Fnord wrote: | | The fear-mongering Neo-Cons took over, leaving us with no organized political party worth voting for. |
Fortunately, (I'm Liberal Nationalist by the Way) the Democrats aren't an organized party.  |
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Fnord
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| Hurricane_Delta wrote: | | Fnord wrote: | | The fear-mongering Neo-Cons took over, leaving us with no organized political party worth voting for. |
Fortunately, (I'm Liberal Nationalist by the Way) the Democrats aren't an organized party. |
Like I said ... 
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gamefreak
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| Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Hbomb89 wrote: | | ToadOfSteel wrote: |
I hate how republicans view Reagan as something of a savior. Often people will credit his economic policies for defeating the Soviet Union (while the Soviet Union was already collapsing on its own, with no external pressure), and use that as validation to keep using Reaganomics as an economic policy... |
The Soviet Union was already in decline before Reagan became president since the mid-70s when their treasury coffers started to run dry from having to support such a large government and humongous military, the Chinese were no longer an important ally to the Soviets thanks to the Sino-Soviet split during Krushchev's reign and the reforms in the PRC and much of Eastern Europe were becoming wary of Soviet rule. Revolts broke out in Poland, Estonia and Lativa. Believe it or not, the Catholic and Orthodox churches also played a big role in weakening the Soviets by giving encouragement to more people in the Soviet bloc to revolt against the decaying Soviet Union. Then there is also Glastnost and Perestroika.
Lech Walesa, Mikhail Gorbechev, the Pope, the Patriarchs and weak post-Brezhnev Soviet leaders are more responsible for the Soviet collapse.
The only thing Reagan did was telling them to "tear down this wall."
Ironically enough, Republicans see Reagan as a "savior" of America even though most of the economic problems we face right now, the budget deficit and our collossal national debt are some of the long term results of Ronald Reagan's presidency.
"We live in a Ronald Reagan America." - my AP Gov teacher |
My American Government Teacher is the same why. He thinks Bush is a Great President and the stupidest thing he did was say gas prices were still $0.70 in a press release this year. Calls himself an independent but apparently he might as well be libertarian. Especailly if he views Reagan as the best president of the 20th Century. |
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ToadOfSteel
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| Gotta love how conservatives and republicans the world over claim to be for smaller government, yet Chimpy runs a bigger ship than Bill Clinton did... |
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Dogbrain
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| ToadOfSteel wrote: | | Gotta love how conservatives and republicans the world over claim to be for smaller government, yet Chimpy runs a bigger ship than Bill Clinton did... |
Both the Demublican and Republocrat parties in the USA are on the same side as each other. Both of them are on one team. They simply take turns imposing paternalism until we are saddled with an openly totalitarian state. The USA will maintain the illusion of democratic institutions for a long time, but ultimately government will control everything.
The only difference between a conservative and a liberal in the USA is which particular set of lies they tell to the people. |
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pheonixiis
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| Dogbrain wrote: | | ToadOfSteel wrote: | | Gotta love how conservatives and republicans the world over claim to be for smaller government, yet Chimpy runs a bigger ship than Bill Clinton did... |
Both the Demublican and Republocrat parties in the USA are on the same side as each other. Both of them are on one team. They simply take turns imposing paternalism until we are saddled with an openly totalitarian state. The USA will maintain the illusion of democratic institutions for a long time, but ultimately government will control everything.
The only difference between a conservative and a liberal in the USA is which particular set of lies they tell to the people. |
Truth. |
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