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ChristinaCSB
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 Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 3:38 pm Post subject: Validity of the aspie quiz? |
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| How valid is it? Would a doctor use it? Sorry if I sound stupid but I asked my abnormal psychology teacher and she said she would have to see the site and I keep forgetting to give her the link but does anyone know how valid it is? |
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donkey
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| Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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easy answer:
there is NO OBJECTIVE TEST FOR AS.
so while these sites can be a usefull guide ,it is, to answer your question, not valid at all.
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Fo-Rum
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| Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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I'd have to agree. They state on the sites themselves usually that they aren't valid. So, they aren't!
What bugs me the most though are the people who say, "I could answer yes to a lot of those." Yeah, well, can you answer yes to a lot of those if the question worded those traits as frequent?
I find the tests really interesting for the most part! |
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Aurore
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| Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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Such tests are not diagnostically valid, but they can really point someone in the right direction.
I used to have my doubts about even that until I started having NT people I know take them. For example, on the Aspie Quiz, the one out of 200, I scored 163 - and my NT fiance scored 47.
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Saffy
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| Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 12:01 am Post subject: |
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If you know what characteristics you are looking for , you can pretty much assure yourself an ASD "score " on the tests. They have no validity and are very very poorly designed.
ASD diagnosis is not arrived at by formal testing, although there are some formal tests that can be administered to look at particular areas of function. However.. all these tests like the ADOS for example .( see the link below if you are not sure what I am talking about) are still based on subjective data gathering.
http://portal.wpspublish.com/portal/page?_pageid=53,70384&_dad=portal&_schema=PORTAL |
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OddDuckNash99
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| Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 12:19 am Post subject: |
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| Aurore wrote: | | Such tests are not diagnostically valid, but they can really point someone in the right direction. |
I definitely agree. I think it's a really good test for people who are deciding whether or not to pursue a diagnosis or for those with a diagnosis who aren't sure it's correct. I doubted my AS diagnosis for awhile, because I was diagnosed really suddenly. But I was astounded at how many things on the "Aspie quiz" define my personality. The quiz definitely has problems, though. For awhile, they were doing that subdivision test, where they said whether or not it was likely you had other problems (ADHD, OCD, etc.) besides AS. Here were my results:
"OCD: You very likely have this.
AS: This is not a primary diagnosis."
I laughed. I have both diagnosed OCD and AS, and I consistently score in the high 160s/low 170s on the "Aspie quiz," but they claimed on that version that my AS wasn't a problem. What in the world?! 
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Danielismyname
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| Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 1:27 am Post subject: |
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I agree with others; it can point someone in a direction, but it doesn't denote the diagnostic destination.
Cohen found that 40% of those who return a positive on the AQ test actually have one of the conditions (AS/HFA/PDD-NOS). |
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rdos
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| Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 2:23 am Post subject: |
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How valid is Aspie-quiz?
Well, depends on what you want to do with it. I've heard professionals that use it as a tool in the diagnostic process, or that regard a high score as a good indication to do a real evaluation.
As an "autistic-personality-test" I think it has pretty good validity provided you answer as you are naturally and without compensation.
Comparing with the AQ-test, I think it is more valid than the AQ-test. The AQ test is really narrow and have a couple of questions without any relevance. Thus, the AQ test will probably only work if you are according to the "Cohen-stereotype".
Personally, I think ASSQ is one of the best tests, and it seems to be used a lot in the diagnostic process.
Most professional diagnosis are not only set on "subjective, self-report", but this still is a large part in the process, simply because the DSM defines AS in such terms. Thus, I think people can manipulate the professional diagnostic process by "knowing the answers" just as they can in an online quiz.
As for statistics, 70% of people with a professional AS/HFA/PDD diagnosis get "very likely Aspie" while 11% get "very likely NT". In the NT control group, 16% get "very likely Aspie". Those results are pretty good. |
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rdos
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| Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 2:39 am Post subject: |
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| Saffy wrote: | If you know what characteristics you are looking for , you can pretty much assure yourself an ASD "score " on the tests. They have no validity and are very very poorly designed.
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Why are they poorly designed?
| Saffy wrote: | ASD diagnosis is not arrived at by formal testing, although there are some formal tests that can be administered to look at particular areas of function. However.. all these tests like the ADOS for example .( see the link below if you are not sure what I am talking about) are still based on subjective data gathering.
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I have to disagree since I've been through the professional diagnostic process with my daughter. The only thing that really differed from only personal, self-report data was that other people, like teachers and parents, also reported their subjective views. Sometimes our surroundings have a good grasp of how we work, sometimes not. If you have good self-awareness chances are that you can provide better information yourself than your environment can, and then an online quiz will be just as good. I've also been through the ADHD-diagnostic process, which ended in a failure because of widely different views between parents, child himself and school. |
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ToughDiamond
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| Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 10:56 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | In the NT control group, 16% get "very likely Aspie". Those results are pretty good. |
They warn that it's "not diagnostic" - which I think is a bit modest of them, almost saying it doesn't work at all, yet it's clearly on a par with the official tests.
I scored as "very likely to be Aspie" and I'm still mulling over the idea of taking it to the GP and asking for a referral. I crave certainty even though I know there's no such thing. But there's more to it than just needing to know, there's the implications of a positive diagnosis - driving insurance needs looking into, and there's the question of whether or not to tell the employer. I'm due for a job appraisal soon, and I might reveal it then, particularly if they start trying to extract promises of things that I fear would put me out of my depth - but only verbally at this stage. So far I've kept it very quiet.
Having made a few posts here and read a lot about people's experiences and how they compare with mine, I get a strong subjective feeling that I must be Aspie. There's just been so many points of contact with their stories where it's been like looking into a mirror, and so much from my past that makes more sense when looked at again under the Aspie light. |
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UnusualSuspect
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I just took the quiz for the second time. I took it more than a year ago, when I didn't really have as much insight into some of my traits. Oddly, my score is just about the same. I'm just barely over the line -- 109 on the aspie side, but this time I downloaded the PDF for the details, and found that much more informative than the raw score. I'm very NT in terms of my communication skills (not a surprise), but in many areas I'm almost completely on the aspie side. Essentially, my communication skills skew the results, making it look, superficially, as if I'm pretty well balanced, which I'm not.
So I'd recommend that anyone taking the quiz should download the breakdown of their scores to get a better picture of where they are. |
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ToughDiamond
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| Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 5:38 am Post subject: |
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| UnusualSuspect wrote: |
I'd recommend that anyone taking the quiz should download the breakdown of their scores to get a better picture of where they are. |
Yes it's worth looking at those different aspects of AS. Though I found some of the names they give them a little inaccessible. What's "aspie talent," for example? Are they using the word "talent" in a misleading way? |
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UnusualSuspect
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| ToughDiamond wrote: | | UnusualSuspect wrote: |
I'd recommend that anyone taking the quiz should download the breakdown of their scores to get a better picture of where they are. |
Yes it's worth looking at those different aspects of AS. Though I found some of the names they give them a little inaccessible. What's "aspie talent," for example? Are they using the word "talent" in a misleading way? |
"Hunting" was the one that got me. Looking at the questions included in that category cleared it up, but I don't see why that particular word was chosen. |
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finrod
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| what is the aspie quiz? |
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Jellybean
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| Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:21 am Post subject: |
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The Aspie quiz is not a diagnostic aid, but merely allows you to get some idea whether you may fall on the spectrum. I don't think there will ever be a 100% perfect quiz/test to diagnose autism.
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