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Khan_Sama Phoenix

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Joined: Mar 26, 2008 Age: 19 Posts: 611 Location: Royal State of Hyderabad
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Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 6:01 pm Post subject: Jewish Taliban go on modesty patrol rampage |
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,432876,00.html (surprisingly)
JERUSALEM — In Israel's ultra-Orthodox Jewish community, where the rule of law sometimes takes a back seat to the rule of God, zealots are on a campaign to stamp out behavior they consider unchaste.
They hurl stones at women for such "sins" as wearing a red blouse and attack stores selling devices that can access the Internet.
In recent weeks, self-styled "modesty patrols" have been accused of breaking into the apartment of a Jerusalem woman and beating her for allegedly consorting with men. They have torched a store that sells MP4 players, fearing devout Jews would use them to download pornography.
"These breaches of purity and modesty endanger our community," said 38-year-old Elchanan Blau, defending the bearded, black-robed zealots. "If it takes fire to get them to stop, then so be it."
Many ultra-Orthodox Jews are dismayed by the violence, but the enforcers often enjoy quiet approval from rabbis eager to protect their own reputations as guardians of the faith, community members say. And while some welcome anything that keeps secular culture out of their cloistered world, others feel terrorized, knowing that the mere perception of impropriety could ruin their lives.
"There are eyes and ears all over the place, very similar to what you hear about in countries like Iran," says Israeli-American novelist Naomi Ragen, an observant Jew who has chronicled the troubles that confront some women living in the ultra-Orthodox world.
The violence has already deepened the antagonism between the 600,000 haredim, or God-fearing, and the secular majority, which resents having religious rules dictated to them.
Religious vigilantes operate in a society that has granted their community influence well beyond its numbers — partly out of a commitment to revive the great centers of Jewish scholarship destroyed in the Holocaust, but also because the Orthodox are perennial king-makers in Israeli coalition politics.
Thus public transport is grounded for the Jewish Sabbath each Saturday, and the rabbis control all Jewish marriage and divorce in Israel.
In recent years, however, the haredim have eased up on their long campaign to impose their rules on secular areas, and nowadays many restaurants and suburban shopping centers are open on the Sabbath.
These days, most vigilante attacks take place in the zealots' own neighborhoods.
Israel police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld said the modesty police are not an organized phenomenon, just rogue enforcers carrying out isolated attacks. But Israel's Justice Ministry used the term "modesty patrols" in an indictment against a man accused of assaulting the Jerusalem woman.
The unidentified, 31-year-old woman had left the ultra-Orthodox fold after getting divorced, according to the indictment filed by the Jerusalem district attorney's office. The indictment said her assailant tried to get her to leave her apartment in a haredi neighborhood in Jerusalem by gagging, beating and threatening to kill her. He was paid $2,000 for the attack, it said.
A 17-year-old who moved to Israel from New York five years ago said she was hospitalized after being attacked with pepper spray by a crowd of men outraged that she was walking down a Jerusalem street with boys.
"They can burn in hell," said the girl, who would identify herself only as Rivka.
She lives in Beit Shemesh, a town outside Jerusalem where the vigilantism has been particularly violent. Zealots there have thrown rocks and spat at women, and set fire to trash bins to protest impiety. Walls of the neighborhood are plastered with signs exhorting women to dress modestly — spelled out as closed-necked, long-sleeved blouses and long skirts. _________________ Faith not supported by reason and empirical evidence is wishful thinking. |
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Tim_Tex WP's Resident Simpsons and South Park Aficionado

Joined: Jul 03, 2004 Age: 28 Posts: 22319 Location: San Marcos, Texas
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Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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That is ridiculous! _________________ When you need something, that's a responsibility, that only an adult...of my maturity...Bunnies!!!
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slowmutant Phoenix


Joined: Feb 14, 2008 Age: 29 Posts: 8640 Location: Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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| In 2000 years, what has really changed here? |
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Khan_Sama Phoenix

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Joined: Mar 26, 2008 Age: 19 Posts: 611 Location: Royal State of Hyderabad
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Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Tim_Tex wrote: | | That is ridiculous! |
Tell me about it
@slowmutant: Religious extremism will always flourish, till the end of time. _________________ Faith not supported by reason and empirical evidence is wishful thinking. |
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Kauf039 Toucan


Joined: May 17, 2008 Age: 23 Posts: 255 Location: ON, Canada
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Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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I will never understand people who use religion to condone violence. If they believe they are in the right and the people they are injuring are only damning themselves, why not let them? If I am going to hell, why beat the living crap out of me? I'm going to have eternal torment anyway. Stupid "holier than thou arts" do nothing but piss me off and give the good religious people a bad name. _________________ Humm, guess I should put something witty here, huh? |
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slowmutant Phoenix


Joined: Feb 14, 2008 Age: 29 Posts: 8640 Location: Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Khan_Sama wrote: | | Tim_Tex wrote: | | That is ridiculous! |
Tell me about it
@slowmutant: Religious extremism will always flourish, till the end of time. |
Isn't that the truth? Some things never change. |
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philosopherBoi Phoenix


Joined: Aug 07, 2008 Age: 20 Posts: 1019
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Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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| These are not jews these are people going to extremes using the word of the lord and sovereign god as a weapon to discriminate and hurt others which is forbidden. |
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slowmutant Phoenix


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Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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| philosopherBoi wrote: | | These are not jews these are people going to extremes using the word of the lord and sovereign god as a weapon to discriminate and hurt others which is forbidden. |
Are you a Jew and a Christian? I don't think it's up to you to say who is a Jew and who isn't. |
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nirrti_rachelle Go Tigers!

Joined: Jul 22, 2005 Age: 33 Posts: 1187 Location: The Dirty South
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Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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| slowmutant wrote: | | philosopherBoi wrote: | | These are not jews these are people going to extremes using the word of the lord and sovereign god as a weapon to discriminate and hurt others which is forbidden. |
Are you a Jew and a Christian? I don't think it's up to you to say who is a Jew and who isn't. |
Beware of the "No True Scottsman" fallacy.
Oh, and as for these gentlemen who fancy themselves as religious cops.... They're just a bunch of cowards who can't pick on anyone their own size. So they target women who can't fight back to feel more powerful.
I'd love for them to come to the U.S. and sign up as police officers. Set them on patrol in a gang-infested neighborhood and we'll see just how "tough" they are.  _________________ "There is difference and there is power. And who holds the power decides the meaning of the difference." --June Jordan |
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slowmutant Phoenix


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Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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| They're just old geezers with black hats and long curly sideburns. That's all they are. |
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ValMikeSmith Velociraptor


Joined: May 19, 2008 Posts: 488 Location: Stranger in a strange land
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Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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They are those to whom Jesus said "Let he who has no sin throw the first stone."
If they did not project their own lustfulness onto their victims, they would have no reason to do this. Just like gaybashers are self-loathing homosexuals who "need" to "prove" that they aren't. |
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slowmutant Phoenix


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Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 2:33 am Post subject: |
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| ValMikeSmith wrote: | They are those to whom Jesus said "Let he who has no sin throw the first stone."
If they did not project their own lustfulness onto their victims, they would have no reason to do this. Just like gaybashers are self-loathing homosexuals who "need" to "prove" that they aren't. |
NO, I think gaybashers are straight boys who hate gay boys. Gays aren't violent, are they? |
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Khan_Sama Phoenix

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Joined: Mar 26, 2008 Age: 19 Posts: 611 Location: Royal State of Hyderabad
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Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 4:27 am Post subject: |
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| Kauf039 wrote: | | I will never understand people who use religion to condone violence. If they believe they are in the right and the people they are injuring are only damning themselves, why not let them? If I am going to hell, why beat the living crap out of me? I'm going to have eternal torment anyway. Stupid "holier than thou arts" do nothing but piss me off and give the good religious people a bad name. |
Very few people do it. Barely a handful of them. When the media gives them so much attention, one begins to believe the majority of religious people are like that. So not true. _________________ Faith not supported by reason and empirical evidence is wishful thinking. |
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slowmutant Phoenix


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Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 4:32 am Post subject: |
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| Khan_Sama wrote: | | Kauf039 wrote: | | I will never understand people who use religion to condone violence. If they believe they are in the right and the people they are injuring are only damning themselves, why not let them? If I am going to hell, why beat the living crap out of me? I'm going to have eternal torment anyway. Stupid "holier than thou arts" do nothing but piss me off and give the good religious people a bad name. |
Very few people do it. Barely a handful of them. When the media gives them so much attention, one begins to believe the majority of religious people are like that. So not true. |
But these handul minority would have you believe they represent the majority. Whoever is too moderate for their liking they denouce as impostors. I've read about moderate Muslims in the Middle East executed by other Muslims because they weren't extreme enough.
(Sorry Khan Sama, I don't mean to insult you as a Muslim.) |
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Macbeth Thane of Bar and Cellar

Joined: May 28, 2007 Posts: 1523 Location: UK Doncaster
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Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:26 am Post subject: |
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| slowmutant wrote: | | ValMikeSmith wrote: | They are those to whom Jesus said "Let he who has no sin throw the first stone."
If they did not project their own lustfulness onto their victims, they would have no reason to do this. Just like gaybashers are self-loathing homosexuals who "need" to "prove" that they aren't. |
NO, I think gaybashers are straight boys who hate gay boys. Gays aren't violent, are they? |
Dunno but I once saw a 6ft transvestite smash a man's face off a bar. _________________ "Mindset of an aristocrat, budget of a tramp" ZGM
"I dont have to know I'm your first if I already know I'm the best" ZGM
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