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Sand
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| Organic life evolved by providing the environmental filter with a spectrum of possibilities for survival and the environment wiped out all that did not fit the environment of that time. Whatever was left again went through the environmental filter after providing a new spectrum of variation of the survivors. That's the process and it doesn't matter if it's organic or inorganic organisms. The process is the same. The environmental filter keeps changing though time. So life forms keep surviving and dying depending upon the forces of creative destruction. There is progress only in the matter of being able to survive multiple filter variations but eventually conditions become too extreme for any form over multiple changes. |
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Quatermass
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Sand, you can put it more laconically than that: 2nd Law of Thermodynamics and Sod's Law, 'nuff said. No offence meant. 
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chever
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| Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Sand wrote: | | There is progress only in the matter of being able to survive multiple filter variations but eventually conditions become too extreme for any form over multiple changes. |
Example please
| Quatermass wrote: | | Sand, you can put it more laconically than that: 2nd Law of Thermodynamics and Sod's Law, 'nuff said. No offence meant. |
Apparently, you don't know what the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics is. Look up its real definition and note that, unlike humans, I don't find systems that use their environment to do continue to do work inherently objectionable.
Sod's Law is made-up.
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Sand
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| Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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Any existing form of life is an example. Once it survives successfully variations though replication "mistakes" provide a new spectrum of forms that confront environmental changes which act as a filter to wipe out inappropriate changes and the process begins again. In the case of robotic development the utility of the robot designed to a purpose is merely an added factor in the filtration process. But if the robot is to perform in its specific environment (on or off the Earth) it must confront environmental factors just like any other life form.
I was under the mistaken impression you were human. This provides a novel insight as to why you were so enthusiastic over the demise of humanity. |
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chever
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| Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 12:05 am Post subject: |
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| Sand wrote: | | But if the robot is to perform in its specific environment (on or off the Earth) it must confront environmental factors just like any other life form. |
Yes ... so?
| Sand wrote: | | I was under the mistaken impression you were human. This provides a novel insight as to why you were so enthusiastic over the demise of humanity. |
I'm better.
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claire333
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| Awesomelyglorious wrote: | Oh yeah! Well... YOUR MOM!!!  |
I find it interesting you seem so opposed to the idea, when I think you are one of the least likley to be targeted. I know I am fairly new to the forum, but I have not seen you be hostile to other members. In fact, your posts, although often argumentative, are rational and calm. I often find myself wondering if you are playing devil's advocate in order to make people really think about what they are saying. I happen to like people who are able to make me think twice about what I have to say without making me feel like a dork.
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Orwell
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| Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 12:37 am Post subject: |
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| claire333 wrote: | | Awesomelyglorious wrote: | | Oh yeah! Well... YOUR MOM!!! |
I find it interesting you seem so opposed to the idea, when I think you are one of the least likley to be targeted. I know I am fairly new to the forum, but I have not seen you be hostile to other members. In fact, your posts, although often argumentative, are rational and calm. I often find myself wondering if you are playing devil's advocate in order to make people really think about what they are saying. I happen to like people who are able to make me think twice about what I have to say without making me feel like a dork. |
AG is extremely distrustful of any exercise of power or authority, and has legitimate concerns for the atmosphere of the forum if there's a crackdown. It's not enough just to survive the purge, because if all the other interesting posters have been booted it's no fun anymore.
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claire333
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| Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 12:47 am Post subject: |
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| Orwell wrote: | | AG is extremely distrustful of any exercise of power or authority, and has legitimate concerns for the atmosphere of the forum if there's a crackdown. It's not enough just to survive the purge, because if all the other interesting posters have been booted it's no fun anymore. |
For some reason, I do not think anyone is going to be purged...unless, of course, they insist. I also think everyone else knows this too. | Orwell wrote: | | chever wrote: | | $5 says that we'll do what the OP says to avoid his wrath but still laugh at him openly. |
$10 says we will ignore what the OP says until we all get warnings saying "next time is a banning" and then do what he says. And not laugh at him openly until at least a couple weeks after the December Purgings out of fear for our membership status here. |
Maybe it would make AG feel better if moderators gave examples of bannable offenses (especially if no complaint has been registered). I think this was mentioned earlier in the thread anyway.
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sinsboldly
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| Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 1:19 am Post subject: |
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| claire333 wrote: | | Maybe it would make AG feel better if moderators gave examples of bannable offenses (especially if no complaint has been registered). I think this was mentioned earlier in the thread anyway. |
oh Wow, Clair333, what do you know, there is already a list of bannable offences and I would be glad to give you both the text and the link!
you see, there's this guy that this forum belongs to . . .
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Orwell
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A little more specificity as to what constitutes a personal attack would be helpful, though. On PPR that line can be rather fuzzy.
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Awesomelyglorious
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| Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 1:54 am Post subject: |
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| claire333 wrote: | | I find it interesting you seem so opposed to the idea, when I think you are one of the least likley to be targeted. I know I am fairly new to the forum, but I have not seen you be hostile to other members. In fact, your posts, although often argumentative, are rational and calm. I often find myself wondering if you are playing devil's advocate in order to make people really think about what they are saying. I happen to like people who are able to make me think twice about what I have to say without making me feel like a dork. |
Well, least likely does not mean I could not be targeted. Not only that, but I am untrusting of moderators, and if I saw them in action, I think that I could not help but question the legitimacy of that act, and bring some ire upon myself for disrepecting their authority.
It is great to hear that my posts are awesome though! 
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Awesomelyglorious
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| Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 1:55 am Post subject: |
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| Orwell wrote: |
AG is extremely distrustful of any exercise of power or authority, and has legitimate concerns for the atmosphere of the forum if there's a crackdown. It's not enough just to survive the purge, because if all the other interesting posters have been booted it's no fun anymore. |
Well, actually, I would not be surprised if I would not survive the purge. I can have very anti-authority attitudes when I see this authority expressed in a manner I disagree with. This can potentially lead to trouble with moderators, who often do want to make sure that their authority is respected.
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Awesomelyglorious
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| claire333 wrote: | | Maybe it would make AG feel better if moderators gave examples of bannable offenses (especially if no complaint has been registered). I think this was mentioned earlier in the thread anyway. |
No. Not really, no matter what the "bannable offenses" were, I think a moderator staff-member could potentially violate these rules, not in terms of the legality, but rather make good rules into terrible ones through the application. In a circumstance as local as this, the laws don't matter so much as the personalities involved. Because of this, I have difficulty trusting outsiders with PPR.
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Awesomelyglorious
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| Orwell wrote: | | A little more specificity as to what constitutes a personal attack would be helpful, though. On PPR that line can be rather fuzzy. |
It *hardly* matters if you have specificity. Do you think that this will ever function as a court of law would? What matters is the enforcer, as the lines will always be blurred given the subjectivity of it all. We can come up with some perfectly analytical definition, but assuming we even agree with that, there will always be the issue of what the analytical definition means for the subjectively perceived data, and if this aspect will always fall down to the stiffness of the mod, no matter what we have for specificity.
Heck, if you disagreed with the mod on some issue of ruing, what could you do? Try to start a debate over this? Very few people would have the patience to deal with this kind of legal argument, and the mod *has* power over you before, you have conceded that power to him. I would venture to say that due to the constraints of the system, the only theoretic way to force a mod to overturn a decision made is to raise such a stink and get such a large crowd in agreement that nobody could look away or make some quick fix(like quickly get rid of you).
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claire333
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| Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 2:54 am Post subject: |
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| sinsboldly wrote: | | oh Wow, Clair333, what do you know, there is already a list of bannable offences and I would be glad to give you both the text and the link! |
I read the rules before I joined and found them to be clear cut and had no questions as to what they mean. Since this thread seems to be a topic of personal attacks occurring in this forum and members have questioned the definition, I thought some examples could clear things up and put them at ease.
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