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| Are you vaccinating your kid(s) for the seasonal flu and/or H1N1 |
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number5
Deinonychus
Joined: Jun 16, 2009
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Location: central NY
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 Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 9:22 pm Post subject: Flu vaccines for kids |
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I'm a bit on the fence this year and I'm looking for input from other parents. Both my kids routinely get all of the recommended vaccines, but the flu shot and the H1N1 make me a bit nervous. I don't believe vaccines cause autism (my son has AS and it's clearly genetic in his case), but I am uneasy about some of the toxic ingredients in these shots, even though they are only in trace amounts. I believe it's all about risk vs. benefit and the risks are somewhat unknown at this time and the benefit is not very complete (at least for the seasonal flu). I don't think it's some far-fetched conspiracy or anything, I just have tendency for skepticism when such large profits are involved.
I'm currently leaning towards getting my kids the shots, moreso the H1N1 than the seasonal as it seems to be hitting the kids pretty hard, but I'm still not sure. I just want what's best for them, as any parent does. It's a tough decision for me because I sort of feel like I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't. Anyone else on the fence? |
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LizzyLoo
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Joined: Oct 12, 2009
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| Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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Both my son and I are severe asthmatics so I have had both vaccines and my son will be having his as soon as the H1N1 version is available for his age group.
I figured that we didn't have much choice. I was initially very against the Swine Flu vaccine but after speaking with some friends who are Biomedical doctors I now have no qualms at all. Plus I had mine and it was fine  |
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gramirez
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Location: Illinois
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| Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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Influenza vaccinations are the biggest (pardon my french) crock of sh!t ever created by healthcare. They don't protect you against anything. A flu vaccine will protect you from one strain of flu, when there are BILLIONS of them out there...So what if you don't get the strain that you got vaccinated for, you're just as likely to get a different one.
And don't even get me STARTED on H1N1...
Finally, flu vaccines do more harm than good, often making people very sick...whether the ingredients are harmful or poisonous is debatable.
/end rant.
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DW_a_mom
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Joined: Feb 23, 2008
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Location: Northern California
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| Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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My husband definitely wants the kids to get the H1N1. He's freaked out about the stories of youngs girls similar to our daughter who are going downhill and reaching critical within 24 hours. The first 3 days the child will seem just a little sick, and then BAM. These are the kids who die.
We rarely give the kids flu vaccines.
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pekkla
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Joined: Jun 11, 2009
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Location: Berkeley, CA
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I am like your husband. The stories are truly scarey. I am very nervous about H1N1 flu right now. Every day I check the Kaiser clinic number to see if the injectable H1N1 vaccine has arrived. Both of my kids have had some asthma/wheezing, and are not allowed to get the flu mist. We got the seasonal flu shots today.
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natesmom
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| Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 11:12 am Post subject: |
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If we could ever get the H1N1. My state is one of the hardest hit yet we are the last one to get the vaccine. Doesn't make sense. Both of my children have lung problems. My youngest one is not in school and he was born with Severe respiratory distress syndrome. He needed surfactant when he was in NICU. It is quite distressing. My older child, Nate, will be given the mist next week. He will come home and expose my two year old as it will shed somewhat. Not as bad as the actual virus. So, there seems to be no way to protect my younger child when my older one gets the shot.
The whole thing makes me made. I have called a lot of pediatric offices and ALL say they have been told that they will not get the vaccine this year. WHAT? I will immediately call CDC on Monday and explain the situation regarding my high risk children. |
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Aspie1
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Joined: Mar 08, 2005
Posts: 2978
Location: United States
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| Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 11:17 am Post subject: |
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| I don't have kids, but I'm planning to vaccinate myself against both the seasonal flu and the H1N1 flu. My insurance covers it, and if it can reduce my chances of getting sick (when I get sick, it's usually severe and prolonged), all the better. |
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AMD
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Joined: Sep 19, 2009
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I would only give them to my kids if they were "at risk." They are not. They both have very strong immune systems. I do pump them each with vitamin C. They rarely get fevers now and only have very mild colds they bring home from school. Nothing to keep them home!
I don't really trust the swine vaccine. It's still too new, imo. The schools should be sending a permission slips home to give the vaccine to them at school. Not signing. |
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AnotherOne
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Joined: Jul 02, 2009
Age: 38
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| Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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just swine one. generaly we do see a difference when we get a flu shot (symptoms are less severe) so i guess i am a believer. now taking both seasonal and swine strain shots would be too many shots so i choose the more dangerous one.
i am not so scared of the swine one now but i am worried if it is going to evolve. taking a shot now would prepare organism now to have some kind of defense that can mean a lot if the virus becomes realy dangerous.
also i am going to get it first before my son. |
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CRD
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Age: 32
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| Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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| My kids go to school in a low income area were kids come to school sick all the tiem due to lack of daycare ect on the part of the families so they will be getting both shots asap. I'm not losing the only two childern I will ever be able to have over something proventable. |
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javabuz
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Joined: Jan 27, 2009
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Location: Blacksburg, VA
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| Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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| my kids including my AS son will get their H1N1 at school on Wed. I have a 3 month old baby at home so I am not taking any chances. No one has died from the flu vaccine in years, 75 children have already died form swine flu. |
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budgenator
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Joined: Aug 03, 2009
Age: 55
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Location: SE Michigan
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| Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe the real question should be is there any benefit to getting the shots?
first of all in regards to H1N1 swine flu
| Quote: | | Most reports coming from the Southern Hemisphere in late August (the end of winter there) suggested that the swine flu is highly infectious, but not particularly lethal. For example, Australian officials estimated they would finish winter with under 1,000 swine flu deaths—fewer than the usual 1,500 to 3,000 from seasonal flu. Among those who have died in the U.S., about 70 percent were already suffering from congenital conditions like cerebral palsy or underlying illnesses such as cancer, asthma, or AIDS, which make people more vulnerable. Does the Vaccine Matter? |
There is even questions as to the effectiveness of any flu vaccine in regards to preventing deaths let alone achieving their reputed 50% reduction.;
| Quote: | Lisa Jackson, a physician and senior investigator with the Group Health Research Center, in Seattle, began wondering aloud to colleagues if maybe something was amiss with the estimate of 50 percent mortality reduction for people who get flu vaccine, ... Jackson’s findings showed that outside of flu season, the baseline risk of death among people who did not get vaccinated was approximately 60 percent higher than among those who did, lending support to the hypothesis that on average, healthy people chose to get the vaccine, while the “frail elderly” didn’t or couldn’t. In fact, the healthy-user effect explained the entire benefit that other researchers were attributing to flu vaccine, suggesting that the vaccine itself might not reduce mortality at all. Jackson’s papers “are beautiful,” says Lone Simonsen, who is a professor of global health at George Washington University, in Washington, D.C., and an internationally recognized expert in influenza and vaccine epidemiology. “They are classic studies in epidemiology, they are so carefully done.”
The results were also so unexpected that many experts simply refused to believe them. Jackson’s papers were turned down for publication in the top-ranked medical journals. One flu expert who reviewed her studies for the Journal of the American Medical Association wrote, “To accept these results would be to say that the earth is flat!” When the papers were finally published in 2006, in the less prominent International Journal of Epidemiology, they were largely ignored by doctors and public-health officials. “The answer I got,” says Jackson, “was not the right answer.” Does the Vaccine Matter? |
Personally I'm getting the shots and feel they'll keep me from getting as sick as I would have gotten without them, I wouldn't recommend against them for people in known risk groups or those in their care or households.
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annotated_alice
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Location: Canada
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| Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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| My sons both have asthma, but also have severe egg allergy therefore they can't get the shot. My husband and I will be getting both shots. |
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MomofTom
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| Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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| annotated_alice wrote: | | My sons both have asthma, but also have severe egg allergy therefore they can't get the shot. My husband and I will be getting both shots. |
My kiddos are in the same egg allergy boat as yours. My son also has severe reactions to gelatin, which is in a lot of vaccines. The Tamiflu suspension seems to be the route we'd have to take if anyone gets sick. My husband and I already got the seasonal flu mist and are waiting to get the H1N1 vaccines when they are available.
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MommyJones
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Location: United States
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There is a preservative in the H1N1 vaccine that can cause paralysis. The name eludes me but it starts with an S. There are several people in Europe that have died from this vaccine. There is a person that lives 30 miles from me that was affected by this, and although she did not die, she will never be able to play tennis again to her usual ability because of neurological damage.
This side effect is VERY rare, but it is a side effect. I am totally on the fence about this, but I'm leaning towared no. My son is in a school of 10 kids, his daycare has 3 schoolage kids. I don't think he is as much risk as a child going to a public school with hundreds of kids.
It's tough. I would feel guilty if I immunized if something bad happened and I went against my instincts, and I would feel guilty if something happened after he got the virus.
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