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http://www.judaismvschristianity.com/
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Maka-Ra
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Let's just have a very brief look at this...
...ignores the fundmentals of Jewish thought and history...
...ignores the inconsistancies between the teachings of 'Jesus' and the fundamental moral priniciples of Adonai...
...describes the Shroud of Turin as not being the work of a forger, a long discredited claim even among followers of this peculiar idolatry...
...draws connections between the Book of Revelations (which has nothing to do with Judaism) and the United Parcel Service... (Whiskey-Tango-Foxtrot, over?)
If it is meant for those who already agree with him, then I cannot say what value it may have for them. If it is meant to convince others, then it is very, very poorly crafted propaganda indeed, and indicates that this fellow could stand to learn much from the Jesuits, or at least study basic advertising.
The best quote from this site: "And I say this as a Gentile." Oh, clearly.
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Aspie1
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| I've read through the text, and had no idea what it was talking about. Seemed like a part of the whole Jews For Jesus conspiracy. The author feels the need to get people to accept Jesus as their savior, so he's turning to Jews. Although I should probably give the author credit for supporting Israel. |
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kevv729
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This guy just wants to discredit Paul so much I think he has blinded himself. That is all I have to add at this point have to read more what he has to say. 
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He's a whacko making up his own philosophy as he goes and trying to convince others in order to gather a following so that he won't have to work anymore but can become the leader of his own cult. As I see in the photo he already has 5 of them!
(Now why didn't I didn't think of that?!?!)
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kevv729
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| Bland wrote: | He's a whacko making up his own philosophy as he goes and trying to convince others in order to gather a following so that he won't have to work anymore but can become the leader of his own cult. As I see in the photo he already has 5 of them!
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You have to read him very carefully the whole site to truly understand him I think in the end. 
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Musical_Lottie
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I agree with his not believing in the Trinity. I agree that Jesus is the Messiah (as he fulfilled the Messianic prophecies ... funnily enough) but I don't agree with his discredition of the apostle Paul. 2 Timothy 3:16 says that 'all Scripture is inspired of God' - so why can Paul's writings be included if he was a liar etc? I also don't agree with his quotations coming from Bibles which have replaced the Divine Name (coming from YHWH to form the English pronounciation Jehovah) with titles instead. Almost all Bibles have done this - only the New World Translation hasn't replaced the Divine Name. (What I mean is I don't agree with using Scriptures which have replaced Jehovah's name.)
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kevv729
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Musical_Lottie
There are a few other Bibles like the American Standard Version that use the Divine Name of God.
I also agree that the Trinity is not true and does not honor God the Father Jehovah or the Son of God Jesus either.
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But doesn't it bother you that he still thinks Jesus is God? In his statement of purpose he says
"Yahshua was "begotten" as a Son of the Father sometime before this creation. Possibly long before. He is a lesser god* as are many of the beings the Most High God has brought into existence. (see Psalm 82:6)"
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Aspie1
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I've always been confused by the two contradictory passages.
"...no man cometh unto the Father, but by me" (John 14:6, KJV)
This implies that the Son Jesus is the gatekeeper for the Father YHWH. The gatekeeper function indicates that Jesus and YHWH are separate beings. In this case, Jesus is getting people to accept him as their Savior, so that they can enter heaven and be with God the Father (i.e. YHWH).
"I and my Father are one." (John 10:30, KJV)
This implies that YHWH and Jesus are the same being into different froms: YHWH is the inconceivable heavenly form of God, and Jesus is the conceivable human form of God, plus the Holy Spirit, which isn't mentioned often. But even though there are two forms, they still represent the same God.
This is not intented to bash Christianity, but can someone explain to me how Christians reconcile those two contradictory statements? I'm Jewish, but I've read the New Testament out of curiosity. Yet I haven't been able to reconcile John 14:6 and John 10:30. |
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kevv729
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Jesus also states in John 14:28 "The Father is greater than I." and John 5:30 states "I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me." and John 20:17 states "I asend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God." and John 10:36 states "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sancitfied, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?"
Aspie John 10:30 "I and the Father are one."
Maybe see it this way A Father and Son are a family unit. You have one parent families today in this world so it should not be so hard to believe in then. It could be just that simple You see. A family unit is always one in the end are they not. can You see it that way.
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skafather84
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| they're both myths.....but i like the jewish stance on converting people.....i like jesus in the christian myth but he's almost entirely ignored by his actual current-day followers. |
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Musical_Lottie
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John 10:38 means Jesus and Jehovah are one IN PURPOSE.
kevv729 - ah, but how many times it replace the Divine Name? It may use it but not necessarily each time it was originally written. Just a thought.
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