Epiphanies and Revelations

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Hi,

Has anyone else ever had what I can only describe as Epiphanies or Revelations (though neither of those two words seem to fit properly).

I've had a number of 'strange' experience to say the least, for instance for a period of two weeks I could perceive and completely comprehend the body language of everyone around me (down to the level of being able to tell that someone only had £2.20 in their pocket and they where 40p short of buying a pint of fosters and were thinking about asking someone for it. I could have given Darren brown a run for his money.

Nope. Can't say I have.

Had some odd experiences with counting change and it be 57 cents... wake up at 3:57 a.m., look at the clock and its 57 on the hour. Employee code having a 57 in it... couldn't figure out what the meaning... seemed like it had a meaning to it. Bugged me to death, and I asked all sorts of people if it meant anything.

It's prime numbers. 3 5 7 ...

Wish you the best.

Yeah. Odd coincidences like that... they happened often in hs. I get like sensations of leveling up, though. An epiphany, then everything seems clearer. I gain a feat or new skills or something. . Or I get de-ja-vous a lot.

Welcome to WrongPlanet, and welcome to my time warp.

Welcome, oliverthered

First of all, welcome to Wrong Planet!

Yes, I had an Epiphany or two, but major ones would be a once-in-a-lifetime (for me, in 1995), or at the very least least a once-per-decade thing. Perhaps a feeling that things fall in place, like earlier my watching "Young, Austistic, & Stagestruck" is mini-epiphanic. This is a moment for me that came together "Yes, I am an aspie!" and plays a greater part than my other "disability" which is deafness.

See this thread for "Young, Austistic, & Stagestruck":--
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt123641.html

Epiphany stories are usually interesting and inspiring to hear.

That is interesting... I've experienced something that made me think I could predict the future, but I don't believe myself

Welcome to WP!

"That is interesting... I've experienced something that made me think I could predict the future, but I don't believe myself"

I didn't believe myself either thought I was suffering from psychosis and delusional (so did the shrink), until I saw Darren brown.

That's just the nature of random, what I experienced was in no means random.

Not random at all. Prime numbers are a pattern. What's ironic, is they used the same formula for the movie "Contact" years later. I didn't even make the connection with that until just a few short years ago.
"57" "357" even "1157"... on a rare occasion, a 2 or an 11 such as passing by a clock and just looking the moment it is 11:57... it was creepy... and this continued over many years. I couldn't figure out what these numbers meant. Waking up at 3:57 in the morning... many times. I felt / sensed they meant something. Back in 1980's and 1990's... it plagued me. I even asked some psychics if they could tell me what "357" means... (abt. 1994) ... no answers worth repeating here. Nonsensical gibberish... A Christian evangelical man (in 2000) blurted out that 3=Trinity 5=Guidance 7=Holiness/Perfection... and though I had asked him nothing about this, I thought he was mad... he blathered those very numbers (357) which was sort of "Twilight Zone" for me (I had been Deist most all of my adult life so it was strange) -- he was speaking in tongues or something, and I politely excused myself. As I drove away, I thought to myself "How very weird... frightening," but how odd that the old man specified only those numbers, 357" - no others- even though it still didn't satisfy my question.

One day it dawned on me. The same concept was raised in the movie "Contact" with Jodie Foster. There is a signal transmitted from deep space and, as they decipher it, the patterns of beats, go 2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13... etc...
They realize it's prime numbers, therefore deduce "intelligent life" is out there.

Prime numbers are _not_ random.
I think there is something "intelligent" out there, and it is with us. I believe in God.

Contact - The scene where Jodie Foster hears the "First Contact"
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmSYXbgcozY[/youtube]

it's random that you woke up at that time, watched that movie and spotted they had uswed 37 in it (they could have picked any other number, maybe a Fibonacci, maybe a different prime, but 37 was 'ramdom' (I say random but humans don't really do random things, though they may have random input).


I play with it all the time, because people see those patterns and think' There must be a god', 'Wow something supernatural is going on', because people things that random means that it's always different, but that that difference doesn't include the way it is different also must be different i.e. people don't think of random as something that has clusters and 'patterns' .

I sometimes spot a pattern in a couple of events, and say I'll believe in God if he can make this happen. When that happens I up the anti, and say well, not good enough I'll believe in God when he can make something bigger happen.

But that would be proof of God wouldn't it, and we all should know from hitchhikers guide to the galaxy that God pops out of existence when there is proof and no longer belief.

This
http://www.springerlink.com/content/b5bw0kdklurb0421/
is very interesting, it shows that even people trying to measure randomness think that there's some kind of problem with Autistic people, when infact they are generating a list that is more like a true random sequence than other people. Obviously the neuro-typical has some kind of lack of understaing of what random is and can't even tell when someone is giving a sequence that is more random then the control groups.

I wonder what the results of the peer review were.


Here's a couple of pages on the difference between what most people think of and will say is random from what is truly random.

http://everything2.com/title/The+Psycho ... Randomness


http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&q=distin ... fp=1&cad=b

No. Prime numbers are not "random". 2, 3, 5, 7, 11 ...
Just for the record, if you read my post again you'll see I didn't write, "37". It was "57" ... and that was often combined with 3:57 a.m. not awaking "randomly" in the morning once... but so many times over a period of several years, it became rather creepy. Not waking at 2:48, or 4:41 in the morning, but numerous mornings, I would wake up and look at the clock and 3:57 a.m. . Many years later, I asked psychics for some answer... it turned up in change, employee numbers, .. it got my attention. Patterns will get any intelligent person's attention if they pay attention to details..



I spent 1993-2000 as a Deist. Pursued deep interest in theology, and acquainted an Agnostic who worked in University and 30 years skill at the craft of "persuasive argument" / Atheists, and rejected belief (again) from around 2003-2007... under the influence, I fell into the trap of railing against religion and faith. For years, I published his articles, where he pointed out the minority of individuals who "lose it" and cut off their child's arms to sacrifice to God, (but he never seemed to recognize Christians who did good deeds for humanity), he sent me several articles to publish how Southern Baptists were responsible for slavery, (but failed to point out that Baptists in Virginia were some on the forefront of the abolitionist movement... I stumbled across that reading Henry Sheldon's History of the Church, 1895), and he sent articles showing the savagery and death tolls from Church Inquisitions, and when I began reading a little on Karl Marx (in 2007) -- and learning that Atheist regimes murdered somewhere around 100 million souls... I woke up to realize what the big deceit was and that I had bought into the bias... hook, lie, stinker. I asked him, "if you ommitted this, and ommitted another thing, what else have you deceived me about?"

I'm not persuaded anymore by the Atheist' favorite Ad Hominem fallacy, that "reason" and "rationale" and "intelligence" = rejection of God and faith.

I was around that deceit for too many years. Claiming atheism proves one's intellectual prowess, is no more valid than most of mainstream christianity proving one's righteousness.

To make this simple enough that even a child can understand, "Faith," is not based on "Evidence" so why do Atheists continue to ask for it?

Jesus' own words will address what lingering doubts you may have: "But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it..."
- Matthew 12:39

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Words aren't random are they?

Have you heard of something called the bible code, 'predicting' events in the future.

Well the thing is you can pick and reasonable sized book and find practically anything you like in it.

Just because I said 37 not 57 does that make me wrong, or just mean I have a problem with my short term memory?

"Faith," is not based on "Evidence" so why do Atheists continue to ask for it?


Precisely my point, you are claiming some kind of Evidence, but God is nothing without faith.

Why do you need any kind of evidence to have faith, why did you not have it until you found some kind of evidence?

Athiests don't claim that you need evidence for god, just that the evidence people put forward is no evidence of Gods existence. As such there is no evidence for God.

Believe in what ever you like, just don't claim that you know anything about something that could only be beyond the realms of imagination.

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