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Aeturnus
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 Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 3:35 pm Post subject: Yet another case of utter political hypocrisy! |
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When the liberal culture in the United States, including the Green Party and more, called for an increase to the minimum wage, conservatives threw a backlash saying: "If you do that, then the prices will increase."
Now this same conservative culture in the United States is calling for a crackdown on businesses, preparing to fine them heavily for utilizing illegal immigration. Many people, including many liberals, are saying: "If you do that, then the prices will increase."
Talk about utter hypocrisy!
I don't know how the mindset of the American population can be so naive, but people actually believe this sort of nonsense. It's as if nobody cares about price increase, but rather they apply themselves to party lines and believe, word for word, what they are told. Manufacturing consent!
I am waiting for the day when oil will rise to $5 a gallon. I am waiting for the day when the cost of living becomes too expensive to live in America. That day is coming. If people think in this manner, that day is coming faster than you can think ...
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skafather84
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i'd rather see an increase in prices and increase wages.
i live in florida and things aren't that much more expensive despite the minimum wage being a dollar higher than the national minimum wage.
basically, i go to macdonald's, i'm still paying around the same price with the different in pennies....not a whole dollar different.
/have lived in new orleans with a 5.15 m/w
//have lived in texas with a 5.15 m/w
///have lived in florida with a 6.15 m/w
////texas still cost the most |
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Jacob_Landshire
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| Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 4:36 pm Post subject: Re: Yet another case of utter political hypocrisy! |
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| Aeturnus wrote: | I don't know how the mindset of the American population can be so naive, but people actually believe this sort of nonsense. It's as if nobody cares about price increase, but rather they apply themselves to party lines and believe, word for word, what they are told. Manufacturing consent!
I am waiting for the day when oil will rise to $5 a gallon. I am waiting for the day when the cost of living becomes too expensive to live in America. That day is coming. If people think in this manner, that day is coming faster than you can think ... |
Your right Aeturnus, Americans really are naive. All the signs of general decline are here. Massive debt, exported manufacturing base, rising fuel prices, enormous trade deficits, inflated labor pool. The real earning power of the laborer has been falling for the past 30 years. The system is completely corrupt top to bottom. Most have seem to given up on politics altogether.
Did you know that in 2004 the U.S. imported more food than it exported? That is a historical first. Just one of the many signs that were becoming a second rate country. The whole government-economic-social system is terminal. Collapse may not be imminent but decline surely is. |
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Odda
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Is it 2008 yet?  |
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skafather84
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| Odda wrote: | | Is it 2008 yet? |
just don't vote for clinton or kerry. i approve of barak obama, howard dean, and john mccain. obviously anyone associated with karl rove IMMEDIATELY gets the thumbs down.
anyone for the illegalization of guns gets thumbs down as well. |
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Aeturnus
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| Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 1:51 am Post subject: |
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| skafather84 wrote: | | Odda wrote: | | Is it 2008 yet? |
just don't vote for clinton or kerry. i approve of barak obama, howard dean, and john mccain. obviously anyone associated with karl rove IMMEDIATELY gets the thumbs down.
anyone for the illegalization of guns gets thumbs down as well. |
I used to somewhat support John McCain, because I think he was the only Republican with any guts to go against some of the major party issues. A step to bring the Right to the Left, maybe? That all changed when he came out in direct favor of the Iraq War.
John Kerry was the worst candidate for the Democrats to have picked. And Clinton? All he was responsible for was passing NAFTA, which paved the way for Bush to pass FTAA directly after September 11!
What we need is Hugo Chavez!
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skafather84
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| Aeturnus wrote: | | skafather84 wrote: | | Odda wrote: | | Is it 2008 yet? |
just don't vote for clinton or kerry. i approve of barak obama, howard dean, and john mccain. obviously anyone associated with karl rove IMMEDIATELY gets the thumbs down.
anyone for the illegalization of guns gets thumbs down as well. |
I used to somewhat support John McCain, because I think he was the only Republican with any guts to go against some of the major party issues. A step to bring the Right to the Left, maybe? That all changed when he came out in direct favor of the Iraq War.
John Kerry was the worst candidate for the Democrats to have picked. And Clinton? All he was responsible for was passing NAFTA, which paved the way for Bush to pass FTAA directly after September 11!
What we need is Hugo Chavez!
- Ray M - |
uh, i meant hillary clinton. and i agree, john kerry was the worst candidate.....next to al sharpton. as far mccain being for the war in iraq...i'm wondering if maybe he's doing that to show he's a team player so that his party will let him run in 2008....
but we're all screwed anyways...peak oil will give the government reason enough to form the new world order fascist world.
http://www.exitmundi.nl/oilcrash.htm
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Mithrandir
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skafather84
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| Mithrandir wrote: | | If oil production has peaked, that may be a good thing to help prevent massive damage caused by climate change. |
umm.......i'm trying to think of a polite way to say that that statement is rather shortsighted and suffering from tunnel vision....umm..."i politely disagree with you in light of these facts."
.....yeah, i think that works.
alright...lemme sum up, why.. oil production peaking first means more war, disease, food shortages, living expenses going up and jobs lost. then there's the whole cutting down drastically on our output could create a small ice age as the green house affect is worn off as the carbon dioxide is used up by the green life plants and we don't replace it.
yeah, it might bring the climate back to okay for a few years but then in the long run, you're facing an ice age because you're not maintaining homeostasis but rather swinging from one extreme to another.
that is if we end up surviving the general crisis that occurs with peak oil .....wars, job loss, market crash, banks going out of business, food shortages....it won't be a fun change. |
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Mithrandir
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I think engineers and scientists deserve more credit.
We have the capacity to have alternatives to oil, and this peak oil will only push that.
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alright...lemme sum up, why.. oil production peaking first means more war, disease, food shortages, living expenses going up and jobs lost. then there's the whole cutting down drastically on our output could create a small ice age as the green house affect is worn off as the carbon dioxide is used up by the green life plants and we don't replace it. |
That will happen with all the polution we are causing against the world.
How will people get clean water and enough food to eat?
We are already overstretching the ecosystems to a breaking point.
Lets look at one area: Brazil. The rainforests there are being destroyed to create temperory farmland. After the regions become overbearen, more rainforests must be destroyed to create more farmland. This is partly because China requires a lot of soyabeans.
And why all this talk about ice ages? How about if the water rises 32 meters.
Do you like Coastal Cities?
| Quote: | | yeah, it might bring the climate back to okay for a few years but then in the long run, you're facing an ice age because you're not maintaining homeostasis but rather swinging from one extreme to another. that is if we end up surviving the general crisis that occurs with peak oil .....wars, job loss, market crash, banks going out of business, food shortages....it won't be a fun change. |
You are right we do have a problem I got one for you, Ogallala Aquifer.
Many times, different civilizations have used alternative methods to find clear drinking water. A revolutionary idea in the midwest after the creation of the centrifugal pump was to use the Ogallala at such a rate that it would last about 50 years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogallala_Aquifer
http://www.choicesmagazine.org/2003-1/2003-1-04.htm
The Ogallala Aquifer is drying up and what is the US going to do about it?
In fact there are tons of water problems just waiting to happen. Look at India.
Environmentally (and economically because of Peak oil production), we are in trouble.
I don't want to have to wear a breathing device just to walk outside in 40 years.
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Scoots5012
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| Mithrandir wrote: | | Environmentally (and economically because of Peak oil production), we are in trouble.I don't want to have to wear a breathing device just to walk outside in 40 years. |
I don't think in 40 years there will much left anyways. The nuclear wars that now seem to loom larger over our heads with each day as North Korea, Iran, and China grow more capable will wipe out most of us.
If not that, all of us here in the us will at least be slaves to the china, pulling their dignitaries around in rickshaws.
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Endersdragon
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I prefer the hyprocracy of comparing Republicans to Hussein because they gave weapons to him when the Liberals helped out Stalin quite a bit (but no one ever compares Roosevelt to Stalin.)
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Awesomelyglorious
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Ok, I don't think that the world is going down the tubes in the next few years. I don't think that my death is imminent. We have overreacted and all sorts of things for thousands upon thousands of years and the amount of doomsayers we have historically had is large. There is a worry about an asteroid that will come close to our world and wipe us out, there are worries about global warming frying the world, there are worries about world war due to unstable nations or gas prices or whatever, there are worries about some super-virus coming and killing off much of mankind, there were worries about Y2K, there were worries about the Soviets nuking the crap out of us with their powerful missiles around the time of the Eisenhower Era, I think I even heard that some people in the middle ages thought that Christ was going to come and killing themselves for that, there have been all sorts of people who expected mankind to die throughout history. I do not think it is a major issue in terms of us dying or being destroyed. Mankind is about as resilient as the cockroach, maybe even more so.
Anyway, I think to deal with global warming and oil we should try to be more economically efficient with the resources we have and invest in technology that will reduce future costs. Global warming is predicted to do some damage but it is sort of hyped up really, I have heard of an Atmospheric scientist who claimed that we could deal with global warming through levies and air-conditioning but he said that we probably wouldn't really want to due to the massive economic costs. Life styles will probably change in the future, I can accept that. Things might get worse for us, I can accept that. I don't think that we will die though, I am confident in mankind's ability to not die and to push forward. It usually is never as bad as people say it is.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | I am confident in mankind's ability to not die and to push forward. It usually is never as bad as people say it is.
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I agree there have been people shouting the end is near from the start. Things will change but the end I don't think so.
As for peak oil production how about some new nuclear plants in the US and more funding for alternate energy research and insentives for getting them into production stages
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