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07 Jul 2010, 6:16 pm

How do you deal with "messing up" socially with friends (or acquaintances)? I don't mean making mistakes when they are around, I mean making mistakes that directly affect them - saying the wrong thing to them, carrying a joke too far, misinterpreting something in a way that has negative consequences. Insulting them by accident. Touching upon a subject that everyone else knows is best left to lie. Offending them. Anything like that.

It's rare that I actually want to spend time around another person, and if I do, I care a lot about them. I actually want them to be my friend. So when something like that happens, I feel like it's a huge deal, and that person would be better off if I just left them alone. I feel awful about whatever it is I've accidentally done. And worst of all, I feel like I have to earn back the right to be their friend.

What would your reaction be to making that kind of mistake? Do you ever feel like you have to "make up for it" or earn back their friendship to start deserving it again? What do you do?



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07 Jul 2010, 6:53 pm

If it's any consolation, apparently at least my close friends who know I am Aspie are understanding, and feel that I am making a bigger deal worrying about such things than they do in the long run. They do explain to me where they're coming from, and I explain what I thought, and we all eventually calm down. But yes, it feels horrifying. (This happened just the other week... Oough!) Maybe lay low for long enough that people become closer friends and appreciate you for yourself? Then they might understand?



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07 Jul 2010, 7:30 pm

Best thing to do is find understanding friends. Apologize for whatever it is you did/do, but make sure you understand what you did/do wrong. If you have friends who are willing to explain how you offended them you'll be more likely to learn how to prevent repeat scenarios.


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07 Jul 2010, 7:56 pm

Peko wrote:
Best thing to do is find understanding friends. Apologize for whatever it is you did/do, but make sure you understand what you did/do wrong. If you have friends who are willing to explain how you offended them you'll be more likely to learn how to prevent repeat scenarios.


Well said. Sadly, those who tend to overreact and not understand you are not the kind of people you should have as friends--you'll spend every moment walking on eggshells and stressing out about offending them. Not worth it.


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07 Jul 2010, 8:13 pm

Wise words in every respect, and I am grateful for the responses.
I have to add, though, that in general, the friends I have tend to be of the more understanding variety (after all, they have managed to somehow still be my friends despite... well... me). And that makes it worse, somehow, because I only feel more awful that I've made such a mistake, or done something unintentionally hurtful, to someone who is good and kind and tolerant to me.
The eggshells, perhaps, are in large part my own anxieties over doing, or having done, or potentially doing, such a thing.



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07 Jul 2010, 8:30 pm

Jeyradan wrote:
Wise words in every respect, and I am grateful for the responses.
I have to add, though, that in general, the friends I have tend to be of the more understanding variety (after all, they have managed to somehow still be my friends despite... well... me). And that makes it worse, somehow, because I only feel more awful that I've made such a mistake, or done something unintentionally hurtful, to someone who is good and kind and tolerant to me.
The eggshells, perhaps, are in large part my own anxieties over doing, or having done, or potentially doing, such a thing.


The key word above is unintentionally.

If they do understand, then they probably realize that sometimes things you say just come out the wrong way and therefore do not take it personally.

Next time something like this happens, apologize the moment you realize what happened. In all likelihood, they'll say something like "No worries, man," and that'll be enough.

If not, talk about it and resolve it immediately. You'll probably all feel better then. :)


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11 Jul 2010, 3:01 pm

ive made some pretty big mistakes with friends who were always good to me. and even though i did do it unintentionally i dont really think its their fault for not understanding. ive made some apologies anyway and am abit nervous to see how things all turn out. i find it hard to apologise because im often unable to give the explanation that usually goes with a good apology. but hopefully it will be enough anyway:/



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12 Jul 2010, 12:32 pm

A few of my friends refer to those sort of screw ups as me having an "Aspergers moment". They don't know about my long-standing suspicion that I may actually be an Aspie, and that I've had one psych tell me I probably am. I think that I worry most about whether people think what I've done wrong is intentional, rather than any actual hurt I've caused them.

I think in the end as most people don't change much, then for any long term friendships people have to accept you for who you are. In which case once they know you although they may be initially hurt or offended by your words when they realise that you didn't meant to intentionally hurt them. I am beginning to think with people its your intentions that matter at least as much as your actions.



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14 Aug 2010, 1:28 pm

I don't even have to make a mistake and I still loose friends



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15 Aug 2010, 1:03 am

What about when they refuse to talk so you can see where the misunderstanding was?

What about when he assumes I should know exactly what he meant?



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15 Aug 2010, 5:35 am

Rayvn wrote:
What about when they refuse to talk so you can see where the misunderstanding was?



That happened to me at high school. One wouldn't talk to me, so I had to find outside for myself what I had done. I figured it all out, and it turned out that I hadn't done anything at all, and she had just got in a mood with me over the silliest thing, like for example I had an orange at lunchtime and she doesn't like oranges, so she got in a mood with me for it. That is the most ridiculous thing to get the hump with someone over.

Sometimes I thought it's her who can't make and keep friends properly, not me.



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16 Aug 2010, 3:53 am

Maybe trying to be friends with unfriendly people is the bigger mistake?



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17 Aug 2010, 6:05 am

I can only reply from the other side of the fence, being NT.

When I make mistakes myself, no matter how hard the heart pounds and how much you wish for a hole in the ground to appear and swallow you, its one thing to do. Apologise. When sincere people will forgive their friends for most slip ups. E.g accidents or misunderstandings or such. Anyone can slip up and everyone does at times.

As for having a friend with AS; yes he has managed to step onto touchy subjects and be alot more blunt in ways I have found almost cruel and unexpected at times with things he has said or done. The first times I did feel a bit hurt, but he apologised for a few, and ignored a few others. The only "mistake" he did (this being in the start - first year of our friendship) was having told me he had aspergers, but when I asked "Whats that?" he shrugged and said "a high functioning autism of sorts". I didnt think two times more of how this would affect him.

As I learned a bit more about his traits and difficulties, its alot easier for me to not just forgive any social mis-step or insult he may accidentally toss my way - It is no longer a need most of the time.

To me, knowing about his difficulties and such didnt create a gap between us. I realise it might be easier and seem a better option to strive to act normal and cover up the "madness" so to speak, but in the long run, for a close friend - its better for the both of you that you understand eachothers difficulties and can relax around eachother.

I know this didnt directly answer your concern, but I wanna wish you best of luck anyway. :)


Also remember again: Everyone messes up. From royalities, popstars, NTs, Aspies and cats.



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23 Feb 2011, 8:53 pm

If you have friends your a fraud and a phony, indecent even.

What can a 'friend' offer you that you can't get from your special interest or special friends (pets)


Have you had a run in with B 9 ( with his talking heads / silent head metaphor , their like a curiosity like a lava lamp, his right you know.....


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