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01 Nov 2010, 12:20 pm

My asperger friends. WE are in a time of great peril. A lot of us are having in this society. We are having a hard time obtaining employment and we are having a hard time in other areas. We have tried to reason with the rest of society to no avail. We have tried to fight society to no avail. Fighting has not worked and and trying to reason has not worked. What are we left with? I say we are left with the Exodus Project. IMHO, it is time to build our own society within a society.

Aren't you all tired of the fakeness and the phoniness that our modern societies has to offer? Aren't you all tired of BS upon BS from your goverment agencies? Aren't you all tired of being made to be something you're not. Aren't you all tired of being told that you're selfish, you'll never amount to squat, you're entitled to nothing, life is not fair, yadda, yadda yadda. Let us form a new civilization together my aspergian friends. Let us a form a new civilization that is based upon True Honesty and Justice. Let us all become the change to the world that we want.

Step with me into a better world!!



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01 Nov 2010, 12:52 pm

Hmmmmmm . . . I'll give it a 4.

As a rough draft, it could be the start of a good rant, but I see several areas for improvement.

You have a sentence fragment for your third sentence - sloppy, breaks the flow. Also, you provide no examples of how Aspies have tried to "reason" and "fight," so your contention that those options have been exhausted falls flat. Another thing to consider - if you're going to demagogue, you need to be come across as fully confident in your statements. "IMHO" has no place in such a speech/essay - it makes it sound like you're not sure of what you are saying, yourself. Unless you are an unquestioned expert in the field, in which case you can use it sarcatically, avoid this as a rhetorical device. It badly weakens your argument.

Your second paragraph is stronger, but still needs a bit more development. Organizationally, your "Let us" sentences probably should be another paragraph on their own, followed by another giving at least a bit about how you suggest Project Exodus be implemented.

GREAT closing line, though! Reminiscent of many Revolutionary speeches without directly copying them.

I look forward to seeing the improved version! :lol:



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01 Nov 2010, 12:54 pm

Well, that is an ancient dream.

I've been prophetizing our entry at a new age, that I believe will be, at a great extent, an aspie age. Nevertheless, due to our litle practising in dealing with each other, we are probably not the most indicated people to create new socializing rules... wel... but it has many names, Genosha, Nutopia, Aspergia... they are good tryes.


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01 Nov 2010, 2:18 pm

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01 Nov 2010, 2:23 pm

You do know that The Exodus was followed by many decades of wandering in the wilderness? And that the leader (Moses) never made it to The Promised Land?



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02 Nov 2010, 10:25 am

another_1 wrote:
Hmmmmmm . . . I'll give it a 4.

As a rough draft, it could be the start of a good rant, but I see several areas for improvement.

You have a sentence fragment for your third sentence - sloppy, breaks the flow. Also, you provide no examples of how Aspies have tried to "reason" and "fight," so your contention that those options have been exhausted falls flat. Another thing to consider - if you're going to demagogue, you need to be come across as fully confident in your statements. "IMHO" has no place in such a speech/essay - it makes it sound like you're not sure of what you are saying, yourself. Unless you are an unquestioned expert in the field, in which case you can use it sarcatically, avoid this as a rhetorical device. It badly weakens your argument.

Your second paragraph is stronger, but still needs a bit more development. Organizationally, your "Let us" sentences probably should be another paragraph on their own, followed by another giving at least a bit about how you suggest Project Exodus be implemented.

GREAT closing line, though! Reminiscent of many Revolutionary speeches without directly copying them.

I look forward to seeing the improved version! :lol:


This is the new version. A newer version than my previous one. In order to obtain concrete examples of where trying to reason, comforming, and fighting has failed I will have to ask other aspies to share their experiences here if they do not mind? Will you all share your experiences?

Here is the new and improved version.

We are in a time of great peril. We have certain neurological differences and because of this many of us are having a hard time in this society. Because the majority do not accept our differences, we are having a hard time obtaining employment and fitting in. We have tried to reason with the rest of society to no avail. We have tried to fight society to no avail. We have tried to comform to society to no avail. Fighting has not worked, trying to reason has not worked and comforming has not worked. What are we left with? I say we are left with the Exodus Project. Due to our mistreatment from our respective societies it is time to form a new society.

Aren't you all tired of the fakeness and the phoniness that our modern societies have to offer? Aren't you all tired of BS upon BS from your government agencies? Aren't you all tired of being made to be something you're not? Aren't you all tired of being told that you're selfish, you'll never amount to squat, you're entitled to nothing, and life is not fair? If you are tired of all these then let's leave our respective societies and build a new one.

There are two primary things we need and they are capital and land space. This land space needs to be habitable so we can grow our crops and feed our livestock. To secure the capital to buy the land we need to pool our money together and invest into secure accounts. I have heard that there are asperger people who have played the stock market well and have made out well. We need to talk to these people about investing our pooled money.

Let us form a new civilization together my aspergian friends. Let us a form a new civilization that is based upon True Honesty and Justice. Let us all become the change to the world that we want. Lets us all come up with ideas together to make this work.
Times will be difficult at first and sacrifices will have to be made but in the end our trials, tribulations, difficulties, and sacrifices will be worth it. This is for our children and our children’s children.

Step with me into a better world!!



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02 Nov 2010, 10:26 am

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You do know that The Exodus was followed by many decades of wandering in the wilderness? And that the leader (Moses) never made it to The Promised Land?


If I can't make it to the promised land and see it then that is how it will be.



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02 Nov 2010, 10:28 am

Neuromancer wrote:
Well, that is an ancient dream.

I've been prophetizing our entry at a new age, that I believe will be, at a great extent, an aspie age. Nevertheless, due to our litle practising in dealing with each other, we are probably not the most indicated people to create new socializing rules... wel... but it has many names, Genosha, Nutopia, Aspergia... they are good tryes.


We shall try again. We need to find out what went wrong with Genosha, Nutopia, Aspergia... and why they all collapsed.



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02 Nov 2010, 10:41 am

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You do know that The Exodus was followed by many decades of wandering in the wilderness? And that the leader (Moses) never made it to The Promised Land?


If I can't make it to the promised land and see it then that is how it will be.


Just thinking a different name might evoke images more consistent with your viewpoint.



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02 Nov 2010, 10:52 am

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You do know that The Exodus was followed by many decades of wandering in the wilderness? And that the leader (Moses) never made it to The Promised Land?


If I can't make it to the promised land and see it then that is how it will be.


Just thinking a different name might evoke images more consistent with your viewpoint.


Do you have any advice for a new name? Thinking about it you may have a point.



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02 Nov 2010, 11:08 am

cubedemon6073 wrote:
wavefreak58 wrote:
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You do know that The Exodus was followed by many decades of wandering in the wilderness? And that the leader (Moses) never made it to The Promised Land?


If I can't make it to the promised land and see it then that is how it will be.


Just thinking a different name might evoke images more consistent with your viewpoint.


Do you have any advice for a new name? Thinking about it you may have a point.


Did you use a biblical reference on purpose? The Exodus was about escaping from oppression. You don't seem to be talking about escaping as much as evolving or rising above. How about the Exigent Project? It has a similar alliteration and imparts urgency.



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02 Nov 2010, 11:29 am

cubedemon6073 wrote:
We are in a time of great [exposure to the risk of being injured, destroyed, or lost].

Not really. Your next line is far more accurate:

cubedemon6073 wrote:
We have certain neurological differences and because of this many of us are having a [difficult] time in this society.

And, we would have the same or similar challenges anywhere.

cubedemon6073 wrote:
Because the majority do not accept our differences, we are having a hard time obtaining employment and fitting in.

There certainly is a bit of truth there, yet the acceptance (or not) of our differences is far from being the key factor.

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We have tried to reason with the rest of society ...

Examples, please.

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We have tried to fight society ...

Bad idea, for sure.

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We have tried to conform to society ...

Definitely more commendable even though still ineffective.

cubedemon6073 wrote:
Due to our mistreatment from our respective societies ...

No, they are not our problem.

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There are two primary things we need and they are capital and land space ...

True enough, but major contributors will want to have and to maintain some kind of control ... and then the rest of us will just continue complaining as we always have and nothing at all will have really changed.

See, we all really are just human beings among other human beings, and any progress we might ever actually make will have had to have begun right there.


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02 Nov 2010, 11:36 am

cubedemon6073 wrote:
We shall try again. We need to find out what went wrong with Genosha, Nutopia, Aspergia... and why they all collapsed.


You are right, it will be a good try! I am an utopist too, and also a prophect. I've been prophetizing the arriving of the new age, that I believe will be a flowering aspie age.


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02 Nov 2010, 11:55 am

the trouble with all separatist movements is that they emphasize difference, when difference was the root of difficulties in the first place. i don't think gaining equal rights for this minority will be harder or easier than other minorities' struggles: the way being a combination of information (emphasizing similarity, especially in desires & needs) & legislation (because elites are often more progressive than the masses). even if it were possible to find an empty land & populate it with aspies, wouldn't this make it easier to hate us & fear us; & to act on those feelings?

culturally, however, it is always instructive when a minority reaches self-awareness. great work has been (& is being) done by people who primarily identified with their race, gender, sexual orientation--even though their common humanity is what makes it possible for others to appreciate these works.

already, i think, much aspie creativity exists. it only needs to be identified, & contextualized by aspie-centric criticism.

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02 Nov 2010, 12:35 pm

wavefreak58 wrote:
cubedemon6073 wrote:
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You do know that The Exodus was followed by many decades of wandering in the wilderness? And that the leader (Moses) never made it to The Promised Land?


If I can't make it to the promised land and see it then that is how it will be.


Just thinking a different name might evoke images more consistent with your viewpoint.


Do you have any advice for a new name? Thinking about it you may have a point.


Did you use a biblical reference on purpose? The Exodus was about escaping from oppression. You don't seem to be talking about escaping as much as evolving or rising above. How about the Exigent Project? It has a similar alliteration and imparts urgency.


I'm talking about both.

Yes, this is a sepertist movement but not aspie vs NT. It is a seperation of values. This new civilization is not just for us but it shall be a beacon to the rest of the world. We have to set ourselves up with new values such as honesty, integrity and conscientious.

This is the current model we are using: http://ultimatesuperset.blogspot.com/20 ... ality.html

We have to become the change we want the rest of the world to be. It is not about saving just ASD, graywyvern. It is about the entire human race. I believe we do not live in the information age. We live in the age of BS. I believe this is a quote from one of our members named Tahatti. I have love for the human race. This is why I must do this even if I do not see the promised land. This is what I believe what went wrong with aspergia. Aspergia cared only about itself. We must not help only ourselves but all of humanity. We must be a light that shines through the darkness. We must be a lighthouse beacon to the rest of humanity.

We're not building a new civilization out of hate. I believe this what aspergia did wrong. It was built on hate. Our new civilization must be built on love. Love people, Love. We're building it for the love of humanity. I do not hate the people who lie, spread sophristries, and are connivers. I do not hate the people who say awful things to us and treat us like s**t. Do you know what I hate. I hate what they do. I hate what our societies represent. I hate all of the greed and the backstabbing. I have love for my fellow humanity. This is why I want to do this. I want to show my love for humanity by showing them that there is a better way.

Graywyvern,We are all aspergia. All of humanity is aspergia. This is what went wrong with the original aspergia and the other movements. NTs who want honesty and integrity can help build aspergia as well. Let's both NT and AS walk in brotherhood and sisterhood.



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07 Nov 2010, 11:44 pm

CubedDemon, where do you recommend we start?