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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 4:52 pm    Post subject: Mildly Retarded v AS Reply with quote

Wondering if anyone would have a insight to the following question.
Were people given a diagnosis of mildly retarded before AS was recognised? Or is completely different.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They just weren't diagnosed at all, if they were it would have been with something absurd like childhood schizophrenia. Or classic autism if they were very lucky.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The reason I am asking is that I have family members diagnosed with mildly retarded also with AS. I suspect the members diagnosed with mildly retarded are more likely AS.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't see how the mistake can be made in a professional setting, no offense. Mild retardation means cognitive impairments. AS is very different. I suppose if somebody's special interest involves juvenile things, and they're overly into, you could confuse it with retardation. But most aspies don't seem retarded at all to me. A lot of them don't even seem aspy.

I'm interested, if you don't mind elaborating, how did these people get a dual diagnosis? Did they do extremely bad on some placement test? You know them better than the doctors- do YOU think they're mildly retarded? You're obviously conflicted.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well--it's not impossible. What if the person with AS just sucks at taking IQ tests, and they get, say, a 60; but they don't have the characteristic delays that someone with mild MR ought to have, and the doctors place way too much weight on the IQ test?

Of course, it's not like you can't have both. Technically, if you had both, you'd be excluded from AS and put into PDD-NOS, but you can totally have all the traits of AS and have mild mental retardation too.

But you could just be seeing the mild social delays you'd expect of someone with mild MR, and be mistaking them for the more obvious ones you'd see with AS. Unless the delays are absent in areas that autism doesn't affect as much, I'd guess the mild MR is probably the correct diagnosis.

If you're sure this person has autistic traits, maybe you ought to talk to them about it. It's their decision as to whether to pursue it further. (Or if they're a young child, talk to their parents about it.)
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They didn't get dual diagnosis for AS I meant that others members of my family have AS dx, There is a lot off different diagnosis, the family member whom diagnosed with mildly retarded was also diagnosed with schizophrenia.

Have a family history of many diagnosis, AS, Mildly retarded, schizophrenia, bipolar/depression other co-morbid.

My son diagnosed with AS I would see many similarities between the other members of my family. I wouldn't have seen those members diagnosed with be mildly retarded as that. They would present with a many AS traits!
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got diagnosed as a "stubborn, spoiled brat who acted out for attention."
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This might have been stated already, but one of the criteria for AS is average or above average intelligence. A few might have slightly below average, and I don't know if there are any with mental retardation. People with classic autism can have mental retardation but many do not (and many are likely mistaken for having that because of no way to communicate). Retardation does not equal ASD or vice versa (and certainly not Aspergers specifically).
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Asperger Syndrome wouldn't be mistaken for mild MR, but it's certainly likely many lower functioning autistics in earlier decades were misdiagnosed as 'just' MR. What a lot of people don't realize is the increased diagnosis of autism isn't just the high functioning ones who were undiagnosed before, but also the 'non-classic' lower functioning ones who got a different diagnosis before. The two big ones for that were MR or childhood schizophrenia (or both together!).
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the far past people with AS might have been diagnosed as borderline autistic, and if their AS is severe enough the doctors back in the day might have mistaken their social retardation as mild mental retardation. Although a lot of mild-moderate AS cases in the "olden days" might just have been seen as awkward or difficult people.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

littlelily613 wrote:
This might have been stated already, but one of the criteria for AS is average or above average intelligence. A few might have slightly below average, and I don't know if there are any with mental retardation. People with classic autism can have mental retardation but many do not (and many are likely mistaken for having that because of no way to communicate). Retardation does not equal ASD or vice versa (and certainly not Aspergers specifically).


According to the DSM, the two diagnosis can coexist if mental retardation only becomes visible after the diagnosis of AS was made (you can be diagnosed with AS at 5 y.o. and with mental retardation at 11 y.o.).

I read somewhere a paper from Gilberg (who uses a different definition of AS) saying that both high intelligence and mild mental retardation are disproportionately common in people with AS.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The shrink who diagnosed me with Asperger's thought at first I was mildly retarded (I hate that evil label of a word). And this was in 2001. Before then I lived with a number of labels and misdiagnoses... schizophrenic form disorder, behaviorally dysfunctional, selfish, spoiled, immature, lazy, ignorant...
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The so called professional shrink told my parents and my teachers that I was just acting out to get attention........they said that I was WAY to smart to "not know better"
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All my shrinks as a kid told my parents that I was basicaly retarded.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, MR relates to a composite of about 4 IQs. NONE of those is affected by AS. And AS relates to an IQ effectively that ISN'T tested, and other things that have nothing to do with IQ.
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