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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:55 am    Post subject: Sense of Entitlement Reply with quote

Do a good chunk of us aspies have a huge sense of entitlement? Is this really true about a good chunk of us? If it really is and a lot of us have a huge sense of entitlement could this be a cause for a lot of our problems? Is this sense of entitlement really affecting the autism community in a very profound and negative way? If we do have a sense of entitlement my question is this. Is it possible to lose it? Has any person whether ASD or not ever had a sense of entitlement that they were able to get rid of? How did they do it and how did they make themselves better? Personally, I believe if aspies in general are to better their one of the first steps is to lose their sense of entitlement if they truly have it. Kfisherx, I invite would love for you to especially join this discussion.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You should send her a PM to get her aware of this this thread.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Sense of Entitlement Reply with quote

cubedemon6073 wrote:
Do a good chunk of us aspies have a huge sense of entitlement? Is this really true about a good chunk of us? If it really is and a lot of us have a huge sense of entitlement could this be a cause for a lot of our problems? Is this sense of entitlement really affecting the autism community in a very profound and negative way? If we do have a sense of entitlement my question is this. Is it possible to lose it? Has any person whether ASD or not ever had a sense of entitlement that they were able to get rid of? How did they do it and how did they make themselves better? Personally, I believe if aspies in general are to better their one of the first steps is to lose their sense of entitlement if they truly have it.


Entitlement to anything in particular?

I think many people, Aspies or otherwise, feel an intrinsic entitlement from, well, the universe, towards themselves. Such a person usually becomes a better person through losing this sense of entitlement.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't believe that autistics have an inflated sense of entitlement. Can you explain why you think this? How is the sense of entitlement causing the problems of ASD?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you asking if I feel like I deserve, or I'm more entitled to receive things because I'm autistic? No, not one bit- If I feel like I deserve, or I'm more entitled to something than someone else, it's because I've earned it by working hard to get it.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Sense of Entitlement Reply with quote

cubedemon6073 wrote:
Do a good chunk of us aspies have a huge sense of entitlement? Is this really true about a good chunk of us? If it really is and a lot of us have a huge sense of entitlement could this be a cause for a lot of our problems? Is this sense of entitlement really affecting the autism community in a very profound and negative way? If we do have a sense of entitlement my question is this. Is it possible to lose it? Has any person whether ASD or not ever had a sense of entitlement that they were able to get rid of? How did they do it and how did they make themselves better? Personally, I believe if aspies in general are to better their one of the first steps is to lose their sense of entitlement if they truly have it. Kfisherx, I invite would love for you to especially join this discussion.


What do you mean with a sense of entitlement? I'm a dutch person struggling with the English language so I definitely need an explanation.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think many really have a sense of entitlement. Most would just like to be treated the same as everyone else. A lot are frustrated but might lack a perspective to allow them to see if they are going about things the wrong way. Other people might just be bitter and see themselves as perpetual victims due to negative life experiences.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that anyone - Autie, Aspie, or Entie - who does little to prepare themselves for an opportunity, and then carries on about how unfair it is that those who do make such preparations can exploit the opportunity and become wealthy, popular, influential, et cetera, has an exaggerated sense of entitlement.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That term is so abstract and IMO gets thrown around and misused so much that I can't figure out what exactly it means. My impression is that it is usually meant to mean, "a sense that one is more entitled to receive than others," even though the wording doesn't actually say that.

I think most people have a sense that they are entitled not to be abused, assaulted or murdered. The world might not work that way, but a person can still feel like that should be a right. Is that also immoral?

Do I feel more entitled than others? No, why would I? There was a thread around here in the last day or so about having a lesser sense of "self" and "other." In a weird way maybe impaired ToM makes a person less likely to put themselves above others (less of a sense of social hierarchy, which does seem more common in ASD people).
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apple_in_my_Eye wrote:

Do I feel more entitled than others? No, why would I? There was a thread around here in the last day or so about having a lesser sense of "self" and "other." In a weird way maybe impaired ToM makes a person less likely to put themselves above others (less of a sense of social hierarchy, which does seem more common in ASD people).


I know if anything I'm more likely to put others above me because I don't want to hurt them at all, and am terrified of doing so, and I know how much I can cope with and not how much they can cope with...

I've seen people on both sides, but more who don't view themselves as more important than others or should be getting more than others or any other sort of entitlement thing. From what I've seen its far more to do with how people were parented than anything to do with their ASD, though people who were parented poorly who have AS can easily go very extreme on this.

What I can say is that the person who abused me was an undiagnosed aspie with an extreme sense of entitlement and parents who did not do a thing to help him grow up. He was the most extreme immature spoiled brat I've ever met (including children of famous people), and his mother was so extreme at this that landlords refuse to let him live in their apartments again just because of not wanting to deal with his mother. A sense of entitlement can easily be a huge problem, especially when combined with a need for routine.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would say since society at large promotes entitlement, Aspies are less likely to think like that because they are usually not as socially adjusted. Entitlement is usually caused by too much pampering and not enough "doing-it-yourself". Aspies usually work harder. I've been more entitled ever since I became what might be called "socially adjusted" and I hate it because there is no going back.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe ASD people are skewed to being less entitled than average. Aspies are more likely to see the world around them rationally, i.e. you get what you've worked for, while people with "better" social skills grasp more on the idea of being entitled. Personally, I've always wondered how come people get money or tax-reduce from the state for reasons I couldn't fathom or simply found degrading or unfair, including child-care. For example, if I lost my job I wouldn't be eager (literally) to receive unemployment benefit, though I would arrange it in the end. Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

btbnnyr wrote:
I don't believe that autistics have an inflated sense of entitlement. Can you explain why you think this? How is the sense of entitlement causing the problems of ASD?


There are people out there on the internet who say we do. I do not remember where they're at. My ultimate question is what if at least some of us do have it? If we do is it possible to get rid of it and how? Are there things that aspies are truly entitled to and if so what should these things be? Are we entitled to the inalienable rights enumerated in our declaration of independence. Does that still stand. If we have these as true rights has society violated any of these three rights when it comes to those on the autism spectrum? If society has which of these three inalienable rights have they violated and how has society done so?

Are these inalienable rights the only things we are entitled to and are these the only things we should be entitled to? Why or Why not?


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

League_Girl wrote:
You should send her a PM to get her aware of this this thread.


Shoot, I forgot to do that.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What do you consider a "sense of entitlement?"

I, for example, am well aware that there are some things I am not able to manage myself. A lot of it has to do with daily matters most people don't have any problem with. I don't think of it as being "entitled" but recognize it as a very real and necessary need of help. Some of it costs money. Some requires time from others (which usually has to be paid for). It is what it is. Do I feel "entitled" to it all? No. I don't.

I do, however, feel that if someone else is in need, and I can help, it is my duty as a human being to help them.

Why shouldn't I want and hope for the same in return?

Everyone on earth has different levels of capability. Everyone has needs. Not all have the ability to do everything that is necessary for themselves.

Do a good chunk of us feel a sense of entitlement? I have no idea. I can't speak for anyone but myself. I don't, but I do feel not enough people feel any sense of obligation toward their fellow human beings.
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