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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 12:36 am    Post subject: Emotional Tone Level Reply with quote

I wrote a book. So, in exploring my publishing options, I stumbled upon the idea that my book might make a better script for a movie. (It has a lot of dialogue.) So, I'm reading a book by Ken Rotcop called, The Perfect Pitch. It's basically instructions on how to pitch scripts or even just ideas to producers, etc... He also does a workshop that I might be able to take. It comes with pitching opportunities - he has connections.

Rotcop says:

"Something called the Emotional Tone Scale indicates that if you are too far above or below the tone level of the person you are communicating with, you ideas will not be received as real. He won't be able to relate."

Hmmm... Emotional Tone Scale, upon further research, is an L. Ron Hubbard thing. I don't want to push a religion or anything, but here's what Wiki says:

"Hubbard devised the "Tone Scale" in 1951 as a tool for auditors in Scientology. Scientologists believe it intends to classify people in a range or scale according to how spiritually alive and how dead a person is, both personally and in their relationships to others. It prescribes auditing procedures to use with a person depending where they are on the scale."


Rotcop also says, "One of the prime elements of selling is trying to match your energy level to that of the prospective buyer. Neurolinguists even go so far as to mimic the body language of the buyer, sitting in the same manner,crossing your legs in the same way, in order to subconsciously bond with the buyer. In theory at least, it makes him feel more comfortable, because you become a reflection of him, and he is therefore more receptive."

I think Rotcop's telling me to play to their vanity...

Is this the stuff NT's know instinctively? All the detail, and math, makes me wonder if Hubbard was on the spectrum.

What do you think?

Has anyone had any experience with Scientology?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

what do scientologists consider as signs that a person is "spiritually alive"?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From: http://www.lifemastertraining.com/tonescale.html

The emotional Tone Scale, starting from the top, in the human range is:

4.0 Enthusiasm

3.0 Conservatism

2.5 Boredom

2.0 Antagonism

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You could draw a line under these and in these ranges a person is more responsible, cause, winning, perceptive, happy and analytical. Now, under this line a person is irresponsible, effect, losing and reactive. The way that scale looks is:

1.8 Pain

1.5 Anger

1.1 Covert Hostility

1.0 Fear

.9 Sympathy

.5 Grief

.05 Apathy

0.0 Death

Emotions above 2.0 on the Tone Scale tend to increase and go up tone toward greater survival; those emotions below 2.0 tend to go down tone towards succumbing. Those above 2.0 are creative and further Life; those below are destructive and tend toward Death. So, they are both exponential in nature, or compounding in nature. Anything below this line is going to end up towards Death; anything 2.0 or above the line is going to end up enthusiastic.

Parts of the Tone Scale are characterised by a desire to change and others by a desire to maintain the status quo:

4.0 Stable

3.5 Unstable

3.0 Stable

2.2 Unstable

1.5 Stable

1.1 Unstable

.05 Stable

The Tone Scale measures relative degrees of survival.
The Tone Scale measures relative degrees of affinity.
The Tone Scale measures relative degrees of reality.
The Tone Scale measures relative degrees of communication.
The Tone Scale measures relative degrees of responsibility.

Ones general, overall position on the Tone Scale is not always fixed; it varies. Falling in love can put a person at 4.0; a death of someone close can put a person into .05, Apathy.

Ones tone can vary per dynamic or subject, in other words, a person could be at boredom on sex and anger on politics. People do go all over the Tone Scale depending on the subject, and their tone and mood at the time. To communicate effectively with a person and bring him up tone, one can assume a tone that is a tone above his position on the scale. You will be cause over that person. To communicate effectively and bring a person down the Tone Scale, one should assume a tone that is a tone below theirs. You will become effect of that person.

People go down the Tone Scale only because their higher toned communication was unsuccessful. It didn't get through, so they try lower and lower tones until their communications are acknowledged and produce a result. People of different tone levels that communicate at length (husband-wife, brother-sister) generally tend to equalise their differences in tone. An enthusiastic husband and an angry wife, after 20 years of marriage will both assume a tone of boredom.

By associating with higher tone people than oneself, one can raise ones tone; by associating with people of a lower tone than ones, one will bring oneself down the Tone Scale.

People usually have one basic emotion that they most commonly express. This is one way of placing a person on the Tone Scale. Possibly a better way is to put an individual under high stress, then you will find out what their true Tone Scale position is.

In society, the level of social machinery is usually very high on the Tone Scale, 4.0 - 3.0, but the people are actually much lower, usually below 2.0. Individuals above 2.0 on the Tone Scale are very responsible and at the very least, quite rare.

Perhaps a greater problem then position, being low on the Tone Scale, and being low on the Tone Scale is certainly a problem, is the tendency to become fixed at one position on the Tone Scale and becoming inflexible in adaptation to other tone levels when it would be advantageous to change tone. Being stuck at Enthusiasm is just as ineffective as being stuck at Apathy. Through Scientology technology a person can gain the freedom to use whatever the situation calls for, and thus ones overall tone does improve.

By locating a person's position on the Tone Scale, one can predict very accurately how that person will act.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

so somebody like tony robbins is probably pretty high on that scale then. i'd rather not think about where i'd be on that intimidating scale.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

auntblabby wrote:
what do scientologists consider as signs that a person is "spiritually alive"?


Enthusiasm, passion, a zest for living

That's whatever it is. What Rotcop is promoting is the art of persuasion. By matching a person's emotional tone level, not too high and not too low, you can gain their interest, make a connection and get them to agree with you - or buy what you're selling.

All I really know is that this is really going to be a challenge for me. I wish I could afford an actor to pitch my story for me.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

unduki wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
what do scientologists consider as signs that a person is "spiritually alive"?


Enthusiasm, passion, a zest for living

all that was beaten out of me decades ago. hmph once gone, it is gone for good.

unduki wrote:
That's whatever it is. What Rotcop is promoting is the art of persuasion. By matching a person's emotional tone level, not too high and not too low, you can gain their interest, make a connection and get them to agree with you - or buy what you're selling.
All I really know is that this is really going to be a challenge for me. I wish I could afford an actor to pitch my story for me.

it seems to me that in order to do all that, you must be tops on that scale. enthusiasm/zest/passion translates most commonly as charisma. lacking charisma, one might as well be a hermit. i hope for your sake you can "fake it 'til you make it."
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sorry to hear you've been through the wringer, auntblabby. Life is a long, hard haul when you don't think like everyone else.

I don't agree that passion, once gone, is gone for good. I think you can get it back with some effort (like, if you care... hah!) It helps if people care about you but in order for them to care, you've got to be in their path. ugh!

Whatever - it's a stupid mess. I'm so thankful the younger generations won't have to go through what we have.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

unduki wrote:
I'm sorry to hear you've been through the wringer, auntblabby. Life is a long, hard haul when you don't think like everyone else. I don't agree that passion, once gone, is gone for good. I think you can get it back with some effort (like, if you care... hah!) It helps if people care about you but in order for them to care, you've got to be in their path. ugh! Whatever - it's a stupid mess. I'm so thankful the younger generations won't have to go through what we have.

my problem is that i couldn't sell ice to an arab, no matter how hard i tried. poverty reduced me to trying [out of desperation to avoid homelessness] to sell cutco knives and amway products, but i failed to make a single sale, not even to my own family who castigated me for being so stupid as to even consider trying to sell 'em that crap to begin with. my one and only skillset in this life, is in digital audio restoration of old recordings, but i also failed to convince anybody else [like record collectors who are a perverse bunch] in the virtues of what i do as an involved hobby. if i had a passion, this would be it. but nobody's interested. hmph i wish you much better luck, in your endeavor. Smile
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