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Those are both friggin' hilarious! 
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Easter has nothing to do with Christianity. Basically it's neo paganism. This historical fact has been well documented by the Catholic church. Their own encyclopedia from 1913, Volume 5, page 227 reads: "A great many pagan customs, celebrating the return of spring, gravitated to Easter. The egg is the emblem of the germinating life of early spring. . . . The rabbit is a pagan symbol and has always been an emblem of fertility." Rabbits and chocolate eggs have NOTHING to do with Jesus. Millions of people participate in this practice and have no idea of its pagan origins.
John 8:32, "YOU will know the truth, and the truth will set YOU free."
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| kxmode wrote: | Easter has nothing to do with Christianity. Basically it's neo paganism. This historical fact has been well documented by the Catholic church. Their own encyclopedia from 1913, Volume 5, page 227 reads: "A great many pagan customs, celebrating the return of spring, gravitated to Easter. The egg is the emblem of the germinating life of early spring. . . . The rabbit is a pagan symbol and has always been an emblem of fertility." Rabbits and chocolate eggs have NOTHING to do with Jesus. Millions of people participate in this practice and have no idea of its pagan origins.
John 8:32, "YOU will know the truth, and the truth will set YOU free." |
And yet, I will still get my daughter Easter candy, and celebrate the resurrection of our Lord and Savior Easter Sunday. And no one is going to be the worst for it.
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| Kraichgauer wrote: | | And yet, I will still get my daughter Easter candy, and celebrate the resurrection of our Lord and Savior Easter Sunday. And no one is going to be the worst for it. |
Haggai 2:12, 13 states: If a man carries holy flesh (or meat) in the skirt of his garment, and he actually touches with his skirt bread or stew or wine or oil or any sort of food, will it become holy? And the priests proceeded to answer and say: No! And Hag′gai went on to say: If someone unclean by a deceased soul touches any of these things, will it become unclean? In turn the priests answered and said: It will become unclean.
What do these verses mean? Basically Easter customs the eggs, bunnies, and bonfires are not somehow made clean simply because they're practiced by Christians. Easter is what it is based on factual evidence produced by the Catholic church. If you chose to continue to engage in this custom and ignore its origins then that's your choice. But keep in mind Jesus' words at John 4:24, "God is a Spirit, and those worshiping him must worship with spirit and truth." For true Christians there is NO truth in Easter.
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| kxmode wrote: | | Kraichgauer wrote: | | And yet, I will still get my daughter Easter candy, and celebrate the resurrection of our Lord and Savior Easter Sunday. And no one is going to be the worst for it. |
Haggai 2:12, 13 states: If a man carries holy flesh (or meat) in the skirt of his garment, and he actually touches with his skirt bread or stew or wine or oil or any sort of food, will it become holy? And the priests proceeded to answer and say: No! And Hag′gai went on to say: If someone unclean by a deceased soul touches any of these things, will it become unclean? In turn the priests answered and said: It will become unclean.
What do these verses mean? Basically Easter customs the eggs, bunnies, and bonfires are not somehow made clean simply because they're practiced by Christians. Easter is what it is based on factual evidence produced by the Catholic church. If you chose to continue to engage in this custom and ignore its origins then that's your choice. But keep in mind Jesus' words at John 4:24, "God is a Spirit, and those worshiping him must worship with spirit and truth." For true Christians there is NO truth in Easter. |
I'll have you know true Christians have been celebrating Easter for two thousand years. If you choose not to, that is your choice. But you have no business telling the rest of us that we're not Christians because of OT legalism. Because the fact of the matter is, while celebrating Easter isn't commanded by God, neither is it forbidden. And I seriously doubt God is going to be upset that we remember his Son's death, descending into hell, and resurrection on the third day.
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| kxmode wrote: | | Easter has nothing to do with Christianity. Basically it's neo paganism. This historical fact has been well documented by the Catholic church. |
Christianity has nothing to do with Judaism. Basically, it's neo-Egyptian mysticism. This historical fact has been well documented by people that bother doing their research. After all, in Egyptian legend, the great god Ra pulled the whole 'floating on the river' stunt well before that poser Moses came along. They came up with the idea of a great savior who would be born of a godly woman, a savior whose birth would have to be hidden, way before the Hebrews ever escaped captivity. This savior, a really swell dude named Horus, battled with magicians, cast out demons, healed the sick, gave sight to the blind, walked on water, resurrected the dead to true life (fun fact: the greek translation of the dude he brought back to life is 'Lazarus') and then died, only to be returned three days later. Unlike the imitation model (Jesus), he then went on to be king of all Egypt for some years before stepping down in favor of his son and ascending to the heavens to join the gods.
See, anyone can play the 'your religion stole from my religion' game if they look deep enough. This is because all religions, like all languages, rob each other blind. Now would you kindly stop disrupting people's fun with the hilarious pictures? |
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| Kraichgauer wrote: | | I'll have you know true Christians have been celebrating Easter for two thousand years. If you choose not to, that is your choice. But you have no business telling the rest of us that we're not Christians because of OT legalism. Because the fact of the matter is, while celebrating Easter isn't commanded by God, neither is it forbidden. And I seriously doubt God is going to be upset that we remember his Son's death, descending into hell, and resurrection on the third day. |
True Christians observe the entire bible as God's word (2 Timothy 3:16,17) not just the NT; but that's besides the point. So using you're own words as a basis for establishing what is legal, quote one scripture from the NT where Jesus or the apostles asked Christians to celebrate his resurrection. |
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| Lord_Gareth wrote: | | kxmode wrote: | | Easter has nothing to do with Christianity. Basically it's neo paganism. This historical fact has been well documented by the Catholic church. |
Christianity has nothing to do with Judaism. Basically, it's neo-Egyptian mysticism. This historical fact has been well documented by people that bother doing their research. After all, in Egyptian legend, the great god Ra pulled the whole 'floating on the river' stunt well before that poser Moses came along. They came up with the idea of a great savior who would be born of a godly woman, a savior whose birth would have to be hidden, way before the Hebrews ever escaped captivity. This savior, a really swell dude named Horus, battled with magicians, cast out demons, healed the sick, gave sight to the blind, walked on water, resurrected the dead to true life (fun fact: the greek translation of the dude he brought back to life is 'Lazarus') and then died, only to be returned three days later. Unlike the imitation model (Jesus), he then went on to be king of all Egypt for some years before stepping down in favor of his son and ascending to the heavens to join the gods.
See, anyone can play the 'your religion stole from my religion' game if they look deep enough. This is because all religions, like all languages, rob each other blind. Now would you kindly stop disrupting people's fun with the hilarious pictures? |
But the fact remains, Christianity had originated as a Jewish sect. We know this from not only early Christian writings, but also Jewish and Roman accounts, as well. To be sure, Egypt had had a tremendous affect on Hebrew beliefs and culture, as did Zoroastrianism from Persia. And as Peter in the NT wrote, the pagan myths pointed to Christ, which I took to mean that several, if not all cultures perhaps innately knew something of the coming of Christ, and culminated in the man from Nazareth. If you don't buy that, hey, that's cool. I'm not here to shove my theology down your throat. But the fact remains, I doubt very few modern academics cast doubt on Jesus' existence - whether he was the Son of God is a matter if faith and theology.
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| Kraichgauer wrote: | But the fact remains, Christianity had originated as a Jewish sect. We know this from not only early Christian writings, but also Jewish and Roman accounts, as well. To be sure, Egypt had had a tremendous affect on Hebrew beliefs and culture, as did Zoroastrianism from Persia. And as Peter in the NT wrote, the pagan myths pointed to Christ, which I took to mean that several, if not all cultures perhaps innately knew something of the coming of Christ, and culminated in the man from Nazareth. If you don't buy that, hey, that's cool. I'm not here to shove my theology down your throat. But the fact remains, I doubt very few modern academics cast doubt on Jesus' existence - whether he was the Son of God is a matter if faith and theology.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer |
While I appreciate your earnest (and respectful!) defense of your beliefs, I was mostly mirroring his post on Easter with a heavy dose of dark sarcasm for flavoring. |
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| Lord_Gareth wrote: | | See, anyone can play the 'your religion stole from my religion' game if they look deep enough. This is because all religions, like all languages, rob each other blind. Now would you kindly stop disrupting people's fun with the hilarious pictures? |
This is because Pagan religions all originated from one source. The bible identifies this source in Genesis 10:8-9. After the flood Nimrod became an enemy of God. Nimrod and his mother who were both responsible for the world wide apostasy from Jehovah's worship. Nimrod was the first human king and the first dictator.
When Nimrod died his mother taught the lie that Nimrod had become a spirit god. The story was told of a full grown evergreen tree springing up overnight from a dead tree stump on Nimrod's grave. After being cut down in death the tree symbolized Nimrod springing forth to life as a god.
Yes, Nimrod became a god, and Nimrod's mother then became the mother of god, and thus began mother-child worship, which was to become so great that the pagan world idolized mother-child worship. God portrayed as a man-child, and the mother as the mother of god.
Examples of mother-child worship
Semiramis and baby Nimrod
Isis and baby Horrus
Indrani and son
1. Ankh Nes Meryre and Son Pepi
2. Cyprus
3. Madonna Guanyin, Goddess of mercy
4. Matrika from Tanesara of India
5. Yasoda and Krishna
6. Mother and son 2000-1850 B.C.
7. Mexico, Jalisco 200 B.C.- 500 A.D.
8. Maya
9. Mexico, Colima 200 B.C.- 500A.D.
10. Mykene, Greece
11. Sun Goddess, Arinna
12. Virgin Mary and Baby Jesus
After Jehovah God confused the languages these people took their Nimrod worship with them and thus paganism spread throughout the entire earth. Flavors of paganism established itself in Egypt, Greece, Rome, Germania, Asia, Africa, and beyond. This is why so many cultures share similar doctrines.
But the bible DOES NOT teach ANY of this. It teaches the truth about Almighty God. It teaches that Almighty God Jehovah is ONE God, and not part of any trinity (like pagans teach) It teaches that the earth was created. It teaches that mankind had a great beginning and that this beginning was marred by the actions of one rebellious angel and two perfect humans. It shows how Jehovah God has taken steps to remedy this problem and how things will be resolved in the future.
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| Lord_Gareth wrote: | | Kraichgauer wrote: | But the fact remains, Christianity had originated as a Jewish sect. We know this from not only early Christian writings, but also Jewish and Roman accounts, as well. To be sure, Egypt had had a tremendous affect on Hebrew beliefs and culture, as did Zoroastrianism from Persia. And as Peter in the NT wrote, the pagan myths pointed to Christ, which I took to mean that several, if not all cultures perhaps innately knew something of the coming of Christ, and culminated in the man from Nazareth. If you don't buy that, hey, that's cool. I'm not here to shove my theology down your throat. But the fact remains, I doubt very few modern academics cast doubt on Jesus' existence - whether he was the Son of God is a matter if faith and theology.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer |
While I appreciate your earnest (and respectful!) defense of your beliefs, I was mostly mirroring his post on Easter with a heavy dose of dark sarcasm for flavoring. |
Okay, okay, sorry. As an Aspie, I often don't catch on to such use of sarcasm. Often, when I make a joke on WP, someone will get mad at me, thinking me serious.
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| kxmode wrote: | | Kraichgauer wrote: | | I'll have you know true Christians have been celebrating Easter for two thousand years. If you choose not to, that is your choice. But you have no business telling the rest of us that we're not Christians because of OT legalism. Because the fact of the matter is, while celebrating Easter isn't commanded by God, neither is it forbidden. And I seriously doubt God is going to be upset that we remember his Son's death, descending into hell, and resurrection on the third day. |
True Christians observe the entire bible as God's word (2 Timothy 3:16,17) not just the NT; but that's besides the point. So using you're own words as a basis for establishing what is legal, quote one scripture from the NT where Jesus or the apostles asked Christians to celebrate his resurrection. |
Christ fulfilled the Law, so the craziness of the OT doesn't apply as much as it used to, with the exception of loving God, and your neighbor as yourself (as Christ said). On top of that, a whole lot of the laws of the OT were sheer idiocy, which Christ told the people Abraham and God had finally allowed the people to follow, due to their hard hearts.
And I would take it in your view, only Jehovah Witnesses are real Christians. Well, it's not for you or your church to come to that conclusion - that's God's job.
And finally; no Christ never commanded his followers to observe his resurrection. What it is is referred to as adiaphra (spelling), which is practice neither forbidden or commanded by scripture. I fail to see how remembering Christ's death and resurrection is in anyway a bad thing, even if it replaced pagan holy days.
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| I buy the candy on sale, after Easter...I eat discount idols!!! |
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