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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:30 am    Post subject: Barack & Michelle Obama disbarred from Illinois Bar Reply with quote

This is from a former Chicago lawyer now practicing law in Tyler, TX.

This is legit. I checked it out myself at https://www.iardc.org Stands for Illinois Attorney Registration And Disciplinary Committee. It's the official arm of lawyer discipline in Illinois; and they are very strict and mean as hell. (Talk about irony.) Even I, at the advanced age of almost 65, maintain (at the cost of approximately $600/year) my law license that I worked so hard and long to earn.

Big surprise.

Consider this:

1. President Barack Obama, former editor of the Harvard Law Review, is no longer a "lawyer". He surrendered his license back in 2008 in order to escape charges he lied on his bar application.

A "Voluntary Surrender" is not something where you decide "Gee, a license is not really something I need anymore, is it?" and forget to renew your license. No, a "Voluntary Surrender" is something you do when you've been accused of something, and you 'voluntarily surrender" your license five seconds before the state suspends you.

3. So, we have the first black President and First Lady - who don't actually have licenses to practice law. Facts.

Source: http://jdlong.wordpress.com/2009/05/15/pres-barack-obama-editor-of-the-Harvard-law-review-has-no-law-license/

4. A senior lecturer is one thing, a fully ranked law professor is another. Barack Obama was NOT aConstitutional Law Professor at the University of Chicago.

5. The University of Chicago released a statement in March 2008 saying Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) "served as a professor" in the law school-but that is a title Obama, who taught courses there part-time, never held, a spokesman for the school confirmed in 2008.

6. "He did not hold the title of Professor of Law," said Marsha Ferziger Nagorsky, an Assistant Dean for Communications and Lecturer in Law at the University of Chicago School of Law.

Source: http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/03/sweet_obama_did_hold_the_title.html ;

He is not a lawyer, just a liar.

I, Longshanks, have also checked this out. It's legit. The guy is a fraud. Vote him out!

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

romney doesn't have a heart. obama is better.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WP is not a racist site. Please find an appropriate forum to post your rants.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marybird wrote:
WP is not a racist site. Please find an appropriate forum to post your rants.
He was not being racist, that was not what his post was about. I think he just worded number 3 badly to where it could give that impression.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's something on factcheck

http://m.factcheck.org/2012/06/the-obamas-law-licenses/
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" . . . Perhaps one reason for these false claims is that the online registration record used to list Michelle Obama as being “on court ordered inactive status.” But that wasn’t because of any wrongdoing. As previously mentioned, before 1999, an Illinois Supreme Court rule required active lawyers who wanted to change their registration status to do so by petitioning the court. . . "
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The following might be a valid criticism. Perhaps Pres. Obama should have more understated his role, and say that he was a Senior Lecturer, describe what that means, that Senior Lecturers are considered to be professors by the university, and that Senior Lecturers have high-demand jobs in politics or public service which prevent full-time teaching.

I mean, the University of Chicago Law School itself says, "Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track." (full quote below).

All the same, Yes, Pres. Obama probably could have handled this better.

http://m.factcheck.org/2012/06/the-obamas-law-licenses/
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The email also claims that “Barack Obama was NOT a Constitutional Law Professor at the University of Chicago.” That’s technically true.

As we wrote back in 2008, Obama’s formal title was “senior lecturer,” but the University of Chicago Law School says he “served as a professor” and was “regarded as” a professor.

During the 2008 presidential campaign, Obama regularly referred to himself as “a constitutional law professor.” But the university later clarified his title in an official statement:

UC Law School statement: The Law School has received many media requests about Barack Obama, especially about his status as “Senior Lecturer.” From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School. He was a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track. The title of Senior Lecturer is distinct from the title of Lecturer, which signifies adjunct status. Like Obama, each of the Law School’s Senior Lecturers have high-demand careers in politics or public service, which prevent full-time teaching. Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, Obama was invited to join the faculty in a full-time tenure-track position, but he declined.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Barack & Michelle Obama disbarred from Illinois Bar Reply with quote

I disagree, in part, Longshanks.

A voluntary surrender is precisely what the name suggests. A person, subject to a disciplinary investigation voluntarily decides to surrender a license to practice. It is improper to draw any inference from the act of voluntary surrender because when an individual has undertaken a voluntary surrender, none of the allegations made againt that person have been proven before a disciplinary tribunal.

I'm certainly not going to question the fact of the misrepresentation. The facts seem to speak for themselves. But I am going to question the substance of the misrepresentation. It's clear that he did teach at the institution. It's clear that he did not hold the academic rank of "Professor." But in common usage is there a distinction between a professor (a generic term for a person who teaches at an institution of higher learning) and a Professor (a person who has been admitted to the academic rank of Professor at a degree granting university)? I don't mean that to be a flippant question--I mean, rather, to go to the question of whether there was a material misstatement that actually goes to the substance of whether the declarant is worthy to hold office.

Is it every lie that disqualifies a person from elected office? If so, is there any person who has made it to age 35 who would qualify by that standard?

It seems to me that both sides in American politics are looking for means by which to demonize the other. Every misstep, error or exaggeration is elevated to the level of a fatal flaw. Is it any wonder that public respect for elected officials is at an all-time low? If you spend your time doing nothing but looking for your opponents' feet of clay, guess what? You will find them. And your opponents will do so to you, as well.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Barack & Michelle Obama disbarred from Illinois Bar Reply with quote

visagrunt wrote:
. . . A voluntary surrender is precisely what the name suggests. . .
Acording to factcheck, it's even less than that.

Prior to a certain date, it's simply how a lawyer went inactive in the state of Illinois.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cathylynn wrote:
romney doesn't have a heart. obama is better.


That's quite bold for a liberal - considering that Obama has Brian Terry's blood on his hands.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Longshanks wrote:
cathylynn wrote:
romney doesn't have a heart. obama is better.


That's quite bold for a liberal - considering that Obama has Brian Terry's blood on his hands.

Longshanks


Name one leader who cannot be claimed to have blood on their hands. Not that I condone it, at all, but don't pretend it is a new thing in some weak advance of your theopolitical cause. A cause which is basically just a different branding of approximately the same blood stained concepts that make up Obama's party
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So what? All he has to do when he leaves the presidency is retake the Il. Bar Exam, and he'll be able to practice law again.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Longshanks wrote:
cathylynn wrote:
romney doesn't have a heart. obama is better.


That's quite bold for a liberal - considering that Obama has Brian Terry's blood on his hands.

Longshanks


If checked out, how many suicides or stress related deaths of workers can be attributed to Romney, after he had destroyed their livelihoods by closing down or outsourcing their jobs, do you suppose?

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 6:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kraichgauer wrote:
Longshanks wrote:
cathylynn wrote:
romney doesn't have a heart. obama is better.


That's quite bold for a liberal - considering that Obama has Brian Terry's blood on his hands.

Longshanks


If checked out, how many suicides or stress related deaths of workers can be attributed to Romney, after he had destroyed their livelihoods by closing down or outsourcing their jobs, do you suppose?

at least it has not been yet proven that obama is a gay-bashing bully like willard is. Razz
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Delphiki wrote:
Marybird wrote:
WP is not a racist site. Please find an appropriate forum to post your rants.
He was not being racist, that was not what his post was about. I think he just worded number 3 badly to where it could give that impression.


LOL! I think you are giving his right wing monologue a little too much credit.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 6:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Longshanks wrote:
cathylynn wrote:
romney doesn't have a heart. obama is better.


That's quite bold for a liberal - considering that Obama has Brian Terry's blood on his hands.

Longshanks

Conversely Romney has John Lauber's blood on his hands. Romney sounds like a nasty piece of work.
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