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Are Muslims the Biggest threat to the modern world?
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04 Sep 2012, 1:07 pm

to the modern world?


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04 Sep 2012, 1:10 pm

No.

Though - define 'threat'. And 'the modern world' (the threat is to, not in, here.)

But really - no.



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04 Sep 2012, 1:16 pm

Islam would be fairly easy and painless to deal with if the politicians weren't so gutless. It certainly wouldn't require atrocities or entire ethnic groups being deported or murdered - well, not on the part of the West anyway. If the people were allowed to decide their own destiny in Europe Islam would immediately lose.

It's the political class and the media that are feeding Islam, not the people. Islam is about as welcome to many in the West as any other invasion.



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04 Sep 2012, 1:18 pm

I don't think the people not in power can cause most of the problems.
Or what would power mean?


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04 Sep 2012, 1:18 pm

Before 9/11/2001 I would have said no. Now I am not so sure.

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04 Sep 2012, 1:20 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Before 9/11/2001 I would have said no. Now I am not so sure.

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Stop letting them in, do your best to integrate ones that are already here (and enforce the law equally) and stop buying their oil. In fact, have as little to do with Islamic theocracies as possible.



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04 Sep 2012, 1:28 pm

The biggest threat to the modern world is ignorance. Ignorance of climate change, ignorance of what other people, ignorance about vaccines, ignorance about biotechnology, ignorance about nuclear power, and ignorance about politics.

Second is the economy of much of Europe, the USA and Canada. If there isn't a recovery fairly soon then the youth are likely to become even more disenfranchised.

Tequila wrote:
Islam would be fairly easy and painless to deal with if the politicians weren't so gutless. It certainly wouldn't require atrocities or entire ethnic groups being deported or murdered - well, not on the part of the West anyway. If the people were allowed to decide their own destiny in Europe Islam would immediately lose.

It's the political class and the media that are feeding Islam, not the people. Islam is about as welcome to many in the West as any other invasion.

Erm... what?

First you state that there would be no atrocities, forced deportations or ethnic cleansing, but then you say that many in the West think Islam is "an invasion" and would treat it as such if not held back by their betters? Invasions are normally dealt with by killing or scaring away the invading army.



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04 Sep 2012, 1:34 pm

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Invasions are normally dealt with by killing or scaring away the invading army.


Or by integrating the invading army (the Ummah).

Nice bit of pork curry and a crate of strong golden ale anyone?



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04 Sep 2012, 1:37 pm

The_Walrus wrote:
The biggest threat to the modern world is ignorance. Ignorance of climate change,


Climates change all the time, gradually or not. They change from snow, wind, rain, sun, warmth, cold. See, no ignorance there at all.



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04 Sep 2012, 1:42 pm

Tequila wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
The biggest threat to the modern world is ignorance. Ignorance of climate change,


Climates change all the time, gradually or not. They change from snow, wind, rain, sun, warmth, cold. See, no ignorance there at all.


Except for thin intentional kind.


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04 Sep 2012, 1:45 pm

What is 'the modern world'?

In what way do Muslims threaten 'the modern world'?

Pertinent:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_CKEgO3Fm4[/youtube]

The UK media is awash in such BS (amusingly dismantled in the video), though I'll say of late they've been generously spewing their hatred over disabled and unemployed people too.

That said, isn't it lovely how racists have suddenly discovered feminism and gay rights?



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04 Sep 2012, 1:49 pm

Muslims aren't a threat of any kind to anyone, let alone the world.
Islam is as much a threat as any religion.



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04 Sep 2012, 2:07 pm

Hopper wrote:
That said, isn't it lovely how racists have suddenly discovered feminism and gay rights?


Islam is a race of people now? Wow, when did that happen?

Do you want me to read you a little story of the Scottish Muslim pharmacist who very recently got off on a pretty nasty case of sexual harassment? Again, though, this is more to do with the dhimmitude shown by the establishment here (who are obsessed with not offending Muslims) more than anything else, which means that bad people often don't get punished.

See here (http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/pharmacist-is-cleared-of-misconduct-after-sex-talk.18739837):

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A pharmacist who made a series of crude remarks to three colleagues has been let off with a warning because he came from a "restrictive" Muslim background.

Khalil Jamil asked one of the women about her favourite sexual position and quizzed another about the mating habits of her horses.

The General Pharmaceutical Council panel found Mr Jamil acted inappropriately by making the comments and standing too close to his assistants – but ruled his behaviour was not sexually motivated.


It's like everything else: restrict Muslim immigration and enforce the law firmly but fairly (so physical attacks and intimidation - where they exist - on Muslims would be taken every bit as seriously as attacks and intimidation by Muslim thugs on others, for example on synagogues, non-Muslim women and gays) without making excuses whilst defending free speech and you won't have any problems.

A lot of the problems we have in Europe - not just to do with Islam, but about a whole host of other issues - are really about either not enforcing the laws we have, or misusing them to attack the wrong targets.



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04 Sep 2012, 2:12 pm

ANY form of religious extremism is a threat to the free world.


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04 Sep 2012, 2:14 pm

Fnord wrote:
ANY form of religious extremism is a threat to the free world.


Can't disagree with that. Islam is the most serious one at the moment, but we have had, oh, many centuries of fun (i.e. massacres, murders and general madness) with Christianity.

Our real problem in the West is that we still afford far, far too much respect to people's precious religious beliefs.



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04 Sep 2012, 2:17 pm

Tequila wrote:
Fnord wrote:
ANY form of religious extremism is a threat to the free world.
Can't disagree with that. Islam is the most serious one at the moment, but we have had, oh, many centuries of fun (i.e. massacres, murders and general madness) with Christianity.

... Buddhism, Communism, Hinduism, Naziism, Shintoism ...


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