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ALADDIN_1978
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17 Nov 2012, 5:10 pm

See,Tell everyone you know regarding extradited aspergers sufferer, Talha Ahsan in solitary confinement , uable to contact his family

Free Talha Ahsan

Everyone in the USA, should tell everyone you know, regarding the plight of aspie Talha Ahsan, in solitary confinement. Please tell all the Congressman, Senators and the Media.

We have to free Talha Ahsan. His life is at risk.



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17 Nov 2012, 7:46 pm

What makes you think that he isn't where he should be?

Do you think that he should be granted immunity from prosecution because he has Asperger's?



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17 Nov 2012, 8:09 pm

See,
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news ... not-guilty

If he dies, end up in a mental health hospital, develops severe mental health problems cannot communicate, interact with people, he will have to be granted immunity.



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17 Nov 2012, 8:12 pm

Syed Talha Ahsan is a British citizen who has been held in custody in the UK since 2006. He was arrested in response to a request from the US under the UK Extradition Act 2003. He is the co-defendant with another British citizen Babar Ahmad, in a high profile case at the European Court of Human Rights. Both men are accused by the US of terrorism-related offenses arising out of an alleged involvement over the period of 1997 to 2004 with a series of websites, one of which was located on a server in the United States.

If he was sane when he committed his crimes, then he will still be considered guilty when he goes a-woop-woop. Let him rot.


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17 Nov 2012, 8:20 pm

ALADDIN_1978 wrote:
If he dies, end up in a mental health hospital, develops severe mental health problems cannot communicate, interact with people, he will have to be granted immunity.


If he dies, he'll have to be granted immunity? :lol:

If he cannot go to trail because of mental issues, I think that he would instead be placed in a mental institution, not released with immunity to prosecution. What happens then depends on the jurisdiction. I suspect that he would be returned to stand trial if his condition improved. Or he might just stay there the rest of his life. I have no idea what the procedures are for federal cases.

Many people seem to think that a mental institution is better than jail. As I understand it, once you enter a mental institution in many places, you are likely to be there far longer than your maximum jail sentence would have been, not only in the United States, but in many other parts of the world as well. Even a life sentence is not necessarily a life sentence in the United States.



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18 Nov 2012, 8:28 pm

Is he guilty? If he's not guilty I feel very sorry for him. If on the other hand he is guilty-do the crime, do the time.



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20 Nov 2012, 4:25 am

Fnord wrote:
If he was sane when he committed his crimes, then he will still be considered guilty when he goes a-woop-woop. Let him rot.

Alleged crimes. He hasn't been tried yet.



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20 Nov 2012, 4:27 am

nostromo wrote:
Fnord wrote:
If he was sane when he committed his crimes, then he will still be considered guilty when he goes a-woop-woop. Let him rot.

Alleged crimes. He hasn't been tried yet.


If he is considered a flight risk, then he certainly needs to stay in jail until his trial. And part of the reason he hasn't been tried yet is that he fought extradition for so long and that is entirely his own doing.



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20 Nov 2012, 5:37 am

every 2 bit monster and creep is using Aspergers as an excuse these days...
Really getting some odd bedfellows now...
sexual deviants and terrorists using our condition as cover for themselves.



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20 Nov 2012, 9:25 am

"using our condition as a cover"?
What is this, some sort of exclusive country club that needs to interview potential new members? :lol:
I guess there's no chance that y'know, they may actually have the condition, what with you being their doctor and having access to the case notes an' all...


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20 Nov 2012, 11:48 am

ALADDIN_1978 wrote:
We have to free Talha Ahsan.


Who is "we?" Why? Because he has Asperger's?

You'll have to do better than that. AS has nothing to do with whether he should be where he is. Totally irrelevant. Promoting freeing this guy or any other, based SOLELY on the basis of them having AS cheapens the cause of true autism awareness.

No. "We" do not "have to" free him. Let him stand trial like anyone else and either be freed due to lack of evidence or pay the penalty.

Come to think of it, what's all the hub-bub? I thought it was pretty well established that "we" all love isolation anyway. He should be ecstatic. :roll:

Hmm. Maybe he's a fake aspie too? *chinrub*


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20 Nov 2012, 2:31 pm

He is not a fake aspie, see, Talha Ahsan.

See, Gary McKinnon and Talha Ahsan

Talha Ahsan versus Gary McKinnon

Gary McKinnon had has extradition blocked, 11 days after Talha Ahsan was extradited,both aspergers diagnosed, both suicide risks, both British, one white , the other Bangladeshi Muslim.

Talha Ahsan is in solitary confinement, (half prisons suicides happen in solitary confinement), His chances are 75% - 85% + of commiting suicide.



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20 Nov 2012, 2:43 pm

ALADDIN_1978 wrote:
He is not a fake aspie.


I didn't say he was. The intention was to satire the foolishness of petitioning to free a criminally charged man based only on the fact that he has Asperger Syndrome, and not based on his innocence. That is as foolish as the satirical question (which was not a claim).

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Talha Ahsan is in solitary confinement, (half prisons suicides happen in solitary confinement), His chances are 75% - 85% + of commiting suicide.


Source please.

I hardly EVER ask for sources, but you are asking us to get behind a movement that could potentially free an extremely dangerous person. I think you'd better back up your claims.


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20 Nov 2012, 2:59 pm

He is not dangerous. He ran a website azzam.com, between 1997 and 2001, promoting Islamic ideaology. It was taken down days after 9/11/2001.

His friend, Babar Ahmad, in December 2003, he was beaten up, sustaining 73 injuries , later being paid 60,00 UK pounds compensation. He was released without charge. He was rearrested in August 2004, because of an extradition requested. Babar Ahmad and Talha did not commit an offence under UK law, but it is an offence under American law. There s no evidence required. n July 2006, Talha Ahsan was arrested for extradition. Talha Ahsan was diagnosed with aspergers syndrome in June 2009.

See Free Talha Ahsan

See http://freetalha.org

See, http://www.aspergersupport.org.uk



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20 Nov 2012, 3:09 pm

nostromo wrote:
Fnord wrote:
If he was sane when he committed his crimes, then he will still be considered guilty when he goes a-woop-woop. Let him rot.
Alleged crimes. He hasn't been tried yet.

Then keep him right where he is until his guilt is affirmed or denied so that he doesn't run away and thereby deny the progress of justice.

There is no need to set him free.


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20 Nov 2012, 3:14 pm

Well since the only "sources" you seem willing to offer are all biased toward his cause, not one of them objective, I see no reason to jump on your bandwagon, and will now stop watching this thread.

What do you expect? That we should just take your word for it, and the word of clearly biased web sites? :shrug: I don't think so.


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