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17 Dec 2012, 12:51 am

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The Bath School disaster is the name given to three bombings in Bath Township, Michigan, on May 18, 1927, which killed 38 elementary school children, two teachers, and four other adults; at least 58 people were injured. The perpetrator died of suicide in one of the explosions as well. Most of the victims were children in the second to sixth grades (7–14 years of age) attending the Bath Consolidated School. Their deaths constitute the deadliest mass murder in a school in United States history.

I'm posting this to point out two important details:

1. The perpetrator's weapons were Dynamite and Pyrotol. He used his rifle ONLY to detonate explosives in his truck. The explosives he had placed in the school were detonated with timers.

2. This event happened 85 years ago! Thus, attacks on schoolchildren by deranged people is not a recent phenomenon. Also, there have been other attacks on schools since then that did not involve firearms.

September 15, 1959; Houston, Texas, United States; 6 dead, 19 injured. Poe Elementary School attack. The morning that Paul Orgeron's second-grade son is denied enrollment, he detonates an explosive on the school playground during recess, killing himself; his son, Dusty; a teacher; a custodian and two seven-year-old boys. The school principal and 18 students aged six to ten are injured, many seriously.

June 11, 1964; Cologne, Germany; 11 dead, 22 injured. Cologne school massacre. Armed with an insecticide sprayer converted into a flamethrower, a lance, and a homemade mace, 42-year-old Walter Seifert entered the Katholische Volksschule in Cologne, Germany, and opened fire on female students playing in the courtyard. He then knocked in classroom windows with his mace and fired inside. Eight children and two teachers died, and twenty children and two teachers suffered injuries of severe burns. After swallowing poisonous insecticide E605, Seifert died the following day, while in custody.

April 8, 1970; Bahr el-Baqar, Sharqiyya, Egypt; 46 dead, 50+ injured. Bahr el-Baqar massacre. A bombing occurred during the War of Attrition, where the Israeli airforce carried out a raid on the Egyptian village of Bahr el-Baqar, in the eastern province of Sharqiyya, the raid resulted in the destruction of a primary school full of school children. Of the 130 school children who attended the school, 46 were killed, and over 50 wounded. The Israelis claimed that they believed the target was a military installation.

October 10, 1977; San Juan, Trinidad and Tobago; 5 dead. A man running through the halls of El Socorro public school killed four children with a machete, as well as a woman outside the school when trying to escape. He was later arrested by police.

June 3, 1982; Shamshuipo, Hong Kong; 5 dead, 43 injured. After stabbing his mother and sister to death and injuring two bystanders, 28-year-old Li Chihang entered Anne Anne Kindergarten and started stabbing people. Three children died and 40 other people were injured in the attack. Li was arrested after being shot by a police officer.

August 13, 1983; Chiang Rai Province, Thailand; 3 dead, 3 injured. 3 children were hacked to death and two others wounded in a nursery in Chiang Rai Province, when 43-year-old Suthat Wannasarn attacked them with a sword and a large stick. Wannasarn was later arrested by police after being shot in the abdomen.

January 10, 1994; Maradi, Niger; 5 dead, 1 injured. A former psychiatric patient, armed with a club, beat four children to death in a quran school in Maradi, and also killed a woman who wanted to stop him. When trying to escape, the man was captured and severely beaten by an angry crowd.

July 8, 1996; Blakenhall, Wolverhampton, England, United Kingdom; 7 injured. Wolverhampton machete attack. Horrett Campbell, a 33-year-old man with paranoid schizophrenia, invaded a Teddy Bears' Picnic being held at St Luke's Primary School and slashed three young children and four adults with a machete. Lisa Potts, a 20-year-old nursery nurse, was awarded the George Medal for saving children's lives despite suffering severe injuries.

August 1998; Henan, China; 2 dead, 15 injured. A teacher stabbed two children to death and wounded 15 others.

September 3, 1998; Hajdúhadház, Hungary; 11 injured. A 31-year-old female teacher stabbed eight children and three teachers in the canteen of a primary school in Hajdúhadház.

September 14, 1998; Hejiang County, China; 23 injured. Lin Peiqing stabbed 23 elementary school children during a morning flag-raising ceremony.

February 22, 1999; Gulbene, Latvia; 4 dead, 1 injured. 19-year-old Alexander Koryakov entered a kindergarten in Gulbene where he chopped three girls to death with a meat cleaver. He also killed a teacher and wounded a nurse, before trying to escape. After his arrest he told police that he wanted to become as famous as Russian serial killer Andrei Chikatilo. Koryakov was sentenced to life imprisonment in December 1999.

May 3, 1999; Costa Mesa, California, United States; 2 dead, 5 injured. Steven Allen Abrams purposefully drove his car onto the playground of Southcoast Early Childhood Learning Center. He killed two children and injured four other children and an adult. Abrams later stated that he thought the deaths of the children would silence the voices that he thought the US government was beaming into his brain.

September 5, 2000; Bidwell, Ohio, United States; 2 dead. Frank Shoemaker shot and killed his estranged wife, 52-year-old Linda Shoemaker, in the parking lot of Bidwell Porter Elementary School where she worked as a cook. Frank Shoemaker then returned home and committed suicide.

February 2, 2001; Red Lion, Pennsylvania, United States; 13 injured. William Stankewicz entered North Hopewell Winterstown Elementary School and brutally slashed two teachers and a principal with a machete. He then subsequently wounded several children in a kindergarten classroom before being subdued by a faculty member.

May 7, 2001; Anchorage, Alaska, United States; 4 injured. Four students were stabbed in the neck by 33-year-old Jason Pritchard at Mountain View Elementary School.

June 8, 2001; Ikeda, Osaka, Japan; 8 dead, 15 injured. Osaka school massacre. Armed with a kitchen knife, a 37-year-old former janitor Mamoru Takuma trespassed into Ikeda Elementary School attached to Osaka-Kyoiku University and stabbed school children and teachers. 8 children were killed and 15 wounded, among those were 13 children and two teachers.

September 4, 2002; Seoul, South Korea; 10 injured. 10 children were injured at Neung Dong Church Elementary School in Seoul, when Hwang Bom-nae attacked them with kitchen knives. Hwang told police he heard the voice of Kim Il-Sung that commanded him to kill many people or he himself would be killed.

November 26, 2002; Huaiji county, China; 5 dead, 2 injured. Shi Ruoqiu stabbed seven children at Shilong Elementary School with a kitchen knife before being arrested. One child died at the scene, while four more succumbed to their wounds in hospital.

March 7, 2003; Beihai, China; 8 injured. 24-year-old Xie Zhongcai stabbed four teachers and four children in a kindergarten in Beihai, after one of the teachers, with whom he had been in love, had arranged for him to be beaten up. Xie was finally overpowered by staff members and the father of one of the kindergarten children.

June 1, 2004; Sasebo, Nagasaki, Japan; 1 dead. Sasebo slashing. An 11-year-old student, identified only as "Girl A", killed a 12-year-old classmate, Satomi Mitarai, by slitting her throat at Okubo Elementary School.

September 11, 2004; Suzhou, China; 28 injured. A man armed with a knife and homemade explosives attacked 28 children at a kindergarten.

September 20, 2004; Ying County, China; 25 injured. 36-year-old Jia Qingyou, a bus driver, injured 25 children with a kitchen knife at No. 1 Experimental Primary School in Ying county. He was later sentenced to death and executed.

September 30, 2004; Chenzhou, China; 4 dead, 12 injured. Liu Hongwen, a 28-year-old primary school teacher, killed four children with a knife in a grade one class at a school in Chenzhou and wounded nine other children and three teachers, before taking 65 students hostage. After negotiations with a county government official he surrendered to police. He was later found not guilty by reason of insanity due to schizophrenia.

December 4, 2004; Mingcheng Town, China; 12 injured. 12 students were stabbed by Liu Zhigang, a man suffering from schozophrenia, at the Central Primary School of Mingcheng Town, Panshi City. Liu was found not guilty by reason of insanity.

February 14, 2005; Neyagawa, Japan; 1 dead, 2 injured. A 17-year-old boy stabbed two teachers and a school nutritionist with a kitchen knife at his former elementary school, killing one of the teachers.

December 10, 2005; Uji, Japan; 1 dead. 23-year-old teacher Yu Hagino stabbed 12-year-old Sayano Horimoto to death at a cram school in Uji, following a verbal dispute. Yu was sentenced to 18 years in prison in March 2007.

May 8, 2006; Shiguan, China; 12 dead, 5 injured. Shiguan kindergarten attack. Armed with two knives and petrol 19-year-old Bai Ningyang entered a classroom on the second floor of a kindergarten in Shiguan, a village near Gongyi. He forced the 21 children and the teacher to the back of the room, sprayed the floor with gasoline, and, before setting it on fire, let one child go, because he knew their parents. Bai then locked the door and escaped. 12 of the children died and four others and the teacher were wounded. Bai was arrested the next day and sentenced to death in December 2007.

May 24, 2006; Luoying, China; 2 dead, 2 injured. 35-year-old farmer Yang Xinlong hacked his aunt to death, set her house on fire and injured another person after an argument before entering Luoying Primary School where he stabbed a child to death in a third grade classroom and took 18 others hostage for several hours. When Yang refused to let the children go he was shot and arrested by police.

June 13, 2007; Chiling, China; 1 dead, 3 injured. A nine-year-old boy was killed when Su Qianxiao, a 42-year-old villager from Chiling, stabbed four children with a kitchen knife at Chiling Primary School. He was caught by locals before he could commit suicide by jumping off the school's roof.

September 13, 2007; Hengyang, China; 1 dead, 5 injured. 28-year-old Kuang Xi, an allegedly mentally disturbed man, hurled five girls and one boy out of a window on the third floor of Hongqiao Primary School, killing a nine-year-old girl. He was subdued by four men, before he could throw out a seventh child.

November 12, 2008; Kandahar, Afghanistan; 15 injured. Militants in Afghanistan attacked three separate groups of students and teachers by squirting acid on them while they were walking to the Mirwais Mena Girls' School in Kandahar. Fifteen people were injured in the acid attack. Ten people were later arrested in connection to the attack, several of which confessed.

January 23, 2009; Sint-Gillis-bij-Dendermonde, Dendermonde, Belgium; 4 dead, 12 injured. Kim De Gelder entered a kindergarten in Belgium and started stabbing people. Two babies and a 54-year-old woman were stabbed to death and twelve other people were injured in the attack. De Gelder also stabbed a 73-year-old woman to death in her apartment days earlier.

March 3, 2009; Mazhan, China; 2 dead, 4 injured. 40-year-old Xu Ximei, an allegedly mentally disabled woman, stabbed two boys, aged 4 and 6, to death with a kitchen knife and injured another three children, as well as the 76-year-old grandmother of one of her victims at the primary school of Mazhan village in Guangdong province. She was later found lying in a classroom and arrested.

March 23, 2010; Nanping, China; 8 dead, 5 injured. Nanping school stabbings. Eight children were hacked to death with a machete and five others were injured outside an elementary school in Nanping. The assailant, identified as 41-year-old Zheng Minsheng, was restrained by school security guards and then arrested by police.

April 13, 2010; Xichang, China; 2 dead, 5 injured. An assailant armed with a meat cleaver attacked students and bystanders outside an elementary school, killing a schoolboy and an elderly woman and wounding three other children and two adults before being arrested by police. The assailant, identified as 40-year-old Yang Jiaqin, was reported to be mentally ill.

April 28, 2010; Leizhou, China; 17 injured. Chen Kangbing stabbed and injured 16 students and one teacher at Leicheng First Primary School in Leizhou before being restrained by teachers and arrested by police.

April 29, 2010; Taixing, China; 32 injured. Xu Yuyuan stabbed 29 children, two teachers and a security guard at the Zhongxin Kindergarten in Taixing. It was reported that five of the injured children were in critical condition.

April 30, 2010; Weifang, China; 1 dead, 6 injured. Wang Yonglai, a 45-year-old farmer, used a motorcycle to break through a gate at Shangzhuang Primary School in Weifang and then assaulted several children with a hammer, wounding five of them. A teacher also injured her foot, while trying to stop Wang, who ended his attack by grabbing two children and pouring gasoline over himself. Teachers managed to pull the children to safety, before Wang committed suicide by setting himself on fire.

May 12, 2010; Hanzhong, China; 10 dead, 11 injured. An assailant killed seven children and two adults and wounded 11 other children at the Shengshui Temple Kindergarten in Hanzhong when he attacked them with a cleaver. The assailant, identified as 48-year-old Wu Huanming, fled from the school and committed suicide when he returned to his house.

August 3, 2010; Zibo, China; 3 dead, 7 injured. A knife-wielding man attacked children and staff at a kindergarten in Zibo. Three children were killed and three other children and four teachers were injured in the attack. It was reported that two of the injured teachers were in critical condition. The assailant, identified as 26-year-old Fang Jiantang, was arrested by police after the attack.

October 22, 2010; Zamboanga City, Philippines; 4 dead, 6 injured. A 12-year-old girl, a teacher, and a 64-year-old man were stabbed to death by ex-convict Felin Mateo at Talisayan Elementary School in Talisayan village. He also wounded four other children and two teachers, some of them seriously, before he could be subdued by irate villagers, who then killed him with his own knife.

August 29, 2011; Shanghai, China; 8 injured. A 30-year-old woman slashed eight children with a box cutter at a child-care centre in Shanghai, leaving one of the wounded in serious condition. The attacker, a day care worker at the kindergarten, who was said to have suffered from psychiatric problems, was arrested.

November 15, 2011; Ga-Mmasehlong, South Africa; 1 dead. Gilford Shapo, teacher at Mmasehlong Primary School in Ga-Mmasehlong village, was hacked to death with a machete in front of his class by his brother Happy. The attacker was arrested by police.

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After every mass shooting, people demand greater control and restrictions on firearms. So, the question is, Why has there been no public outcry to ban cleavers, cars, trucks, machetes, clubs, knives, box cutters, and acid, as well?

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17 Dec 2012, 1:23 am

I'll just say,

Guns don't kill people; guns make it easier for people to kill people.

...and leave it at that.



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17 Dec 2012, 1:29 am

no one needs an assault rifle. i'm tired of being known as a citizen of the country with the most gun violence. people who own a gun are more likely to die by gun than people who don't own a gun. guns aren't protection, they're a liability. adam lanza's mother owned guns. look what it got her.



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17 Dec 2012, 3:53 am

Um...

I know that's a long list, but I really don't think archiving every school shooting is needed...

Well, at least it's a good list xD


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17 Dec 2012, 4:02 am

Yeah, and the following restrictions on explosive material seemed to work so well, especially with Timothy.

Yeah again, nothing is really new, and things have been done before and they'll be done again.

It's impossible to stop; whether restricting items or making them more abundant. Neither will have any lasting effect.



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17 Dec 2012, 6:45 am

Fnord wrote:

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After every mass shooting, people demand greater control and restrictions on firearms. So, the question is, Why has there been no public outcry to ban cleavers, cars, trucks, machetes, clubs, knives, box cutters, and acid, as well?

:?


Probably because firearms make it easier to commit murder than most other means. A firearm can kill at a distance and from a position of stealth. Also they are pretty accurate (or could be). Much more so than bombs or thrown explosives. All the other weapons have to be used at close contact which means the perpetrator can be more easily stopped or prevented.

The very characteristics that make firearms handy dandy murder weapons also make them good for self defense.

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17 Dec 2012, 11:12 am

ruveyn wrote:
... The very characteristics that make firearms handy dandy murder weapons also make them good for self defense.

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17 Dec 2012, 11:43 am

All that work...in vain.
Give America three months. It'll happen again.
I'm calling America's bluff here...they don't have the stones to ban guns.

If you live in America, think about this:
No ban and next time, it could be your friends, your family or even you that bites the bullets. And the world will watch and
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Time to decide America. Time to choose.



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17 Dec 2012, 11:46 am

You missed:

March 1996 - Dunblane, Scotland. Thomas Hamilton enters primary school with several handguns. He shot and killed 16 children (aged 5 & 6) and their class teacher. Then he killed himself.

If you are going to list all these horrific incidents do not forget one so important and similar to that which has so recently been carried out. The horrific events in Dunblane, and the strength of that community in driving the changes forward, led to changes in gun laws in the UK. Changes for the better if you ask me.


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17 Dec 2012, 12:16 pm

YellowBanana wrote:
You missed:

March 1996 - Dunblane, Scotland. Thomas Hamilton enters primary school with several handguns. He shot and killed 16 children (aged 5 & 6) and their class teacher. Then he killed himself.

If you are going to list all these horrific incidents do not forget one so important and similar to that which has so recently been carried out. The horrific events in Dunblane, and the strength of that community in driving the changes forward, led to changes in gun laws in the UK. Changes for the better if you ask me.


In the UK it was rare for anyone to have a gun anyway, and there were already tight controls in place over their possession, so the changes to the laws were a straightforward matter.
It would be a very different case in the US, where there are 90 guns for every 100 people.



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17 Dec 2012, 12:17 pm

I purposely left out all of the firearms-related shootings specifically to point out that people do not need firearms to massacre children, so as to alleviate some of the rampant hysteria being instigated by fear-mongering idiots.

If firearms are outlawed, axes, chainsaws, cleavers, clubs, explosives, firebombs, fists, knives, machetes, swords, and vehicles will still be available.

It is not the firearms that present as dangerous, but the mentally imbalanced people who use axes, chainsaws, cleavers, clubs, explosives, firearms, firebombs, fists, knives, machetes, swords, and vehicles to massacre innocent children that present as hidden threats to public safety.


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17 Dec 2012, 12:35 pm

Fnord wrote:
I purposely left out all of the firearms-related shootings specifically to point out that people do not need firearms to massacre children, so as to alleviate some of the rampant hysteria being instigated by fear-mongering idiots.


Of course you don't need firearms to massacre children - the people who do this kind of thing will use whatever they have to hand. But by purposefully leaving out all of the firearms related incidents you are skewing the data to prove a point because you are clearly pro-firearm.

How many such deaths have been due to fire arms vs all the other methods listed? If there's a significant difference, then there that is an argument for gun laws to change. If there's not ...

As for it being easy to change gun laws in the UK vs the US ... well that maybe so, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be tried.


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17 Dec 2012, 2:49 pm

IDontGetIt wrote:

In the UK it was rare for anyone to have a gun anyway, and there were already tight controls in place over their possession, so the changes to the laws were a straightforward matter.
It would be a very different case in the US, where there are 90 guns for every 100 people.


Exactly. We have a different mentality to firearms and as a result we do not have mass murders every month or so.

Mass murders are so common in the US - since 1982 (That's only 30 years) there have been SIXTY TWO mass murders, while this list can only produce about 40 incidents over 53yrs, the maths show the US gun culture has produced more deaths in less time.



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17 Dec 2012, 3:36 pm

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Guess I gotta post it again...

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For the last two years I was employed as a contractor for the Department of Homeland Security with the official title of “Risk Analyst.” Along with a team of complete and total geniuses (no hyperbole), we were tasked with investigating risks to United States citizens from terrorism, transnational crimes and natural hazards. And after putting together a detailed report outlining exactly where our nation’s dollars should be spent to get the most protection possible, it was promptly thrown out because it didn’t match up with what the bureaucrats were expecting. And the reason for that is their perception of risk, which is the same reason that people are about to over react to the recent events in Colorado . . .

Risk is a simple thing to understand mathematically, but massively complex to apply. The formula is very straightforward:

Risk = Threat x Vulnerability x Consequence

Where:

Threat = The probability of being attacked in a specific manner
Vulnerability = The probability of the attack being successful GIVEN that it is in the process of happening
Consequence = The bad stuff that happens if you are attacked successfully

Naturally this is very easy to apply with things like economic losses, but when you start adding people into the equation it gets messy. We start coming across questions such as “what is the value of a human life?” Which if you’re the U.S. Government is somewhere around $6 million, by the way. But mostly I prefer to keep dollars and lives separate in my analyses. Enough about that, back to the point at hand.

If you’re doing a straight analysis of terrorism events (and I would classify the Colorado shooting in that category), you quickly see that even based on open source information, the risk is extremely low. The actual number of initiations per year for terrorism events is classified, but we can safely assume that the majority of foiled terrorism plots are immediately paraded in front of the media.

So, MAYBE one or two legitimate initiations a year (threat). And since the news isn’t constantly filled with reports of terrorist attacks, it’s a safe bet that the vast and overwhelming majority are foiled (vulnerability). The issue is that a successful attack would be devastating (think nuke over Manhattan) (consequence).

Terrorism is what we call a “low probability, high consequence event.” It will almost never happen, but when it does, the consequences are unthinkable. But because of the low probability the actual risk from terrorist attacks is extremely low.

Let’s scale this down to a personal level from a national level.

For the individual, the biggest consequence of concern to you is the lives of you and your family. Even if you’re a sad, lonesome single man like me that goes to the movies alone, your life is your biggest concern. Whereas the government has to be concerned with a great number of lives, all you really care about is the lives of your immediate family.

There are a great number of scenarios which may result in the loss of you life. Like an airplane crash. Or a car accident. Or a house fire. Or a mass shooting. And while there may be differing levels of threat and vulnerability for these events, the upper boundary of the consequence remains the same: you could die. So while governments are also concerned about loss of life, the reality is that there is no real upper bound for death tolls for attacks but there is a definite “hard ceiling” for the death of your family.

Which means that when assessing the risk to you and yours, the only logical approach is that the probability of the event happening dictates how concerned you are about that particular scenario, since the consequence side of the equation is constantly pegged at the top of the scale. You should be looking for high probability scenarios first and worrying about those in order of probability.

But it’s not, and people don’t.

While the eventual outcome is the same, what really drives people’s level of concern over a particular scenario is how novel and terrifying the experience prior to the death (not that you’d remember it). People are used to the idea of dying in a terrible car accident or burning to death in a house fire, but mass shootings are typically a more concerning scenario and therefore perceived as a higher risk despite the facts at hand.

For example, for the United States:

100 people PER DAY die in car accidents (source).

2,640 people PER YEAR die from house fires (source).

167 people died from mass shootings… in the last DECADE (source).

From a straight analytic standpoint, there’s no reason to be concerned about mass shootings. None whatsoever. The probability that you will be involved is so small that my calculator switches to scientific notation when I try to compute it.

But people will still be concerned.

It’s human nature to place a higher value on a scary death than a normal death. So while the final result is the same (your untimely demise) the difference in how you get there is the differentiating factor. What we’re dealing with is an emotional reaction to a situation rather than a logical reaction and that’s something that people don’t understand and don’t want to face.

The primary reason that people are finding this scary is that they don’t have control over that situation. People fear plane accidents more than car accidents because they’re not the ones in control of the aircraft. Its the same for other “random” events like terrorism and mass shootings. We’re perfectly happy driving ourselves of a cliff to a gruesome death, but when our lives are in someone else’s hands we begin to fear that situation.

This exact same reaction has led to our government throwing their money away on ridiculous expenditures to make sure that low probability, low consequence risks don’t happen (because they’re scary to the handful of people that would die) rather than spending money on minor improvements that would drastically reduce high probability high consequence risks. It’s the same reaction that fuels every post-massacre response from the government.

So what does that mean for those of us who understand the relative risks? It means that we have an uphill battle to fight against the emotional response of those who are overly concerned about this scenario, and generally facts and numbers don’t do any good. They will keep seeing themselves in that scenario and become more and more afraid.

I don’t have a solution to this problem. If I did I wouldn’t have quit my job in frustration at seeing my work going unused. But hopefully if we are persistent enough we can make them understand as well, and let them stop living in fear.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/0 ... ore-148776

Again, it sounds cold, but on a per year basis mass shootings are a rounding error, not a crisis.

As for the people who say "but guns make it so much easier to kill a lot of people", I have two words for you; Molotov cocktail. Cheap, available anywhere in the world, can be constructed by a middle school student and capable of killing loads of people just as quickly, and much more painfully, than even the highest capacity personal firearm.


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17 Dec 2012, 3:37 pm

I was watching the news briefly this evening (unusual for me, the program I had been watching had just ended and I hadn't got to changing the channel yet) and there was a small debate about whether some form of gun control would be possible in the U.S. There was a british man (who said no, it wouldn't be possible because people didn't want it) and an american woman who stated that since Friday there had been 900 shootings across the US, resulting in 300 fatalities and believed that there must be ways to reduce this.

That seemed like rather a lot to me. I can't attest to the truthfulness of those figures. But they shocked me and if it's true.... that's horrific.


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17 Dec 2012, 4:58 pm

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Again, it sounds cold, but on a per year basis mass shootings are a rounding error, not a crisis.

As for the people who say "but guns make it so much easier to kill a lot of people", I have two words for you; Molotov cocktail. Cheap, available anywhere in the world, can be constructed by a middle school student and capable of killing loads of people just as quickly, and much more painfully, than even the highest capacity personal firearm.


If you believe that your right to own firearms with minimal restrictions outweighs the risks that go with it, that's one thing. I may not entirely agree, but it's your view and many others share it (especially in the US, where gun ownership is considered a right, unlike many other countries). Same goes for pointing out that the risks from access to firearms are much smaller than the risks from many other sources. But to deny that easy access to firearms makes it easier for people to kill each other doesn't make a lot of sense.

I'll resist the urge to argue the effectiveness of molotov cocktails, but I suspect they're less effective than you imagine.