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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 9:09 pm    Post subject: Euro-Wingnut rightist converts to Islam Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the article raises some interesting points.

Therein exposes the inherent racism within the right wing, despite their common hatred of egalitarianism, socialism and equality to the right wing islamists will never be 'equal' or potential allies purely for the skin deep differences.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right Wing fundamoentalist Christians and Fundamental Islamist are exactly the same, if they were smart they would ally them self together.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thomas81 wrote:
the article raises some interesting points.


Speaking of the neo-Nazis, a number of neo-Nazis and (white) Holocaust deniers have converted to Islam over the years. David Myatt, Roger Garaudy, Johann Leers, Ahmed Huber...

thomas81 wrote:
Therein exposes the inherent racism within the right wing, despite their common hatred of egalitarianism, socialism and equality to the right wing islamists will never be 'equal' or potential allies purely for the skin deep differences.


They have hatred of Jews for being Jews in common.

In fact, Islamism is surprisingly similar in its worldview to Nazism. They're both totalitarian ideologies that desire world domination, and they both have a hatred of Jews at their centre.

Incidentally, I wish him the best of luck. I hope he is able to leave Islam easily and is not threatened or bullied if he decides it's not for him, which might well be the case if he spends a lot of time in fundamentalist Salafist type circles. Strictly speaking under Islamic law he is not allowed to covert away from Islam.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Right Wing fundamoentalist Christians and Fundamental Islamist are exactly the same, if they were smart they would ally them self together.


Well, the proverbial fat lady hasn't sang, yet.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 3:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thomas81 wrote:
the article raises some interesting points.

Therein exposes the inherent racism within the right wing, despite their common hatred of egalitarianism, socialism and equality to the right wing islamists will never be 'equal' or potential allies purely for the skin deep differences.

Hatred of socialism, yes; equality, no; and egalitarianism, it's complicated. Most of the right favors equal opportunity, but not any entitlement to equal out come. Not only does attempting to force equal outcome paradoxically require people in a position to assert their will over others, but all the variations in intelligence, aptitude for job skills, variations in social skills, and luck with relationships, it all leads up to there will never be a logical end in concluding what determines if everyone has been given an equal lot in life.

Egalitarians more advanced than scavengers at the mercy of their environment only exist in science fiction.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 3:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

John_Browning wrote:
thomas81 wrote:
the article raises some interesting points.

Therein exposes the inherent racism within the right wing, despite their common hatred of egalitarianism, socialism and equality to the right wing islamists will never be 'equal' or potential allies purely for the skin deep differences.

Hatred of socialism, yes; equality, no; and egalitarianism, it's complicated. Most of the right favors equal opportunity, but not any entitlement to equal out come. Not only does attempting to force equal outcome paradoxically require people in a position to assert their will over others, but all the variations in intelligence, aptitude for job skills, variations in social skills, and luck with relationships, it all leads up to there will never be a logical end in concluding what determines if everyone has been given an equal lot in life.

Egalitarians more advanced than scavengers at the mercy of their environment only exist in science fiction.


When it comes to opposing entitlement to equal outcome, that's only common sense with individuals. But unfortunately, whole races of people have been denied legal protection ensuring equal opportunities, by the implication that they are intellectually or spiritually inferior.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 4:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kraichgauer wrote:
When it comes to opposing entitlement to equal outcome, that's only common sense with individuals. But unfortunately, whole races of people have been denied legal protection ensuring equal opportunities, by the implication that they are intellectually or spiritually inferior.

Globally, the social issues some places are facing make those in the US look trivial. Forced marriages/acid attacks, no freedom of religion, starvation, political oppression, and countless regional wars where Islamic groups and governments are clearly the aggressor even when they meet little resistance. If one wishes to look for legally enforced inequality in societies, the US is not the best place to start looking.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, and Islamists despise Communism too, and Socialism, but will be happy to get assistance from parties and groups that have these ideologies if it advances the cause of Islamism.

Islam is meant to be subordinate to nothing and in that sense, anything that is not Islamic is its enemy.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It worries me when ANY kind of religion-following person (practicing not just believing in one) is in office.

Thats why im so glad Romney didn't win... and that Santorum didn't make it to the ballot.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dantac wrote:
Thats why im so glad Romney didn't win... and that Santorum didn't make it to the ballot.


Santorum seemed like a proper arsehole and Romney... I wouldn't have voted for him.

I might have voted for Ron Paul, but that would be as far as it goes for me.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tequila wrote:
Dantac wrote:
Thats why im so glad Romney didn't win... and that Santorum didn't make it to the ballot.


Santorum seemed like a proper arsehole and Romney... I wouldn't have voted for him.

I might have voted for Ron Paul, but that would be as far as it goes for me.


You did rightly. Mitt Romney is a schmuck with a goyische kopf.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John_Browning wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
When it comes to opposing entitlement to equal outcome, that's only common sense with individuals. But unfortunately, whole races of people have been denied legal protection ensuring equal opportunities, by the implication that they are intellectually or spiritually inferior.

Globally, the social issues some places are facing make those in the US look trivial. Forced marriages/acid attacks, no freedom of religion, starvation, political oppression, and countless regional wars where Islamic groups and governments are clearly the aggressor even when they meet little resistance. If one wishes to look for legally enforced inequality in societies, the US is not the best place to start looking.


If anything, I was referring to the United States of the past. Our country, I am proud to say, has made genuine and effective strides for equality.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, and as for things going the other way, and Muslims joining neo-Nazi political parties:





Here's a Bosnian Muslim who is a prominent-ish politician in the essentially neo-Nazi German NPD party.
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