gay aspie burned alive at his 18th birthday party

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23 Mar 2013, 4:35 pm

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what the actual f**k. I really don't know what to do with this. this is the first time I've ever even seen someone so much like me in the news.

edit: the judge called it "good natured horseplay" and the murderer is getting out in 3 1/2 years.


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23 Mar 2013, 4:38 pm

How utterly, appallingly wicked and vicious. That poor, poor man.



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23 Mar 2013, 4:51 pm

good lord that's f***ing horrific. 3 and a half years for taking the life of another human in a painful and agonizing way.

i am quite jaded but this story made me sick to my stomach.



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23 Mar 2013, 4:57 pm

Disgusting.


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23 Mar 2013, 5:11 pm

WHAT. THE. F***! !! !! !! !



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23 Mar 2013, 5:26 pm

Manslaughter? MY ASS. That man is a murderer and deserves to rot in prison for the remainder of his sad life. Does the victim not have any family who cared about him enough to prosecute the monster to the fullest extent of the law?



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23 Mar 2013, 5:33 pm

This story made me so sad... :cry:



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28 Mar 2013, 10:07 pm

Scary how impulsive and ignorant a group of kids can be. It's a shame none of his friends helped him out. He could have lived, at least.



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28 Mar 2013, 10:45 pm

I'll bet the perp thought it was funny as he doused Simpson. And, I'd bet he thought he was funny when he set Simpson alight and ran off. He probably snickered about it with he friends the next day. I wonder if he thought is was funny the day after that when Simpson was died. Probably not, but only because he knew he was caught.

Three years is a joke, but after all, killing a r*tard isn't the same as killing a normal person. If Simpson didn't want to die then he shouldn't have acted like a f*g. He brought it on himself. [/sarcasm]

Sometimes, I think the backwards countries in the world which practice "an eye for an eye" are wise.



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28 Mar 2013, 11:24 pm

The man is charged with manslaughter? And he only gets 3.5 years? It seems like a mere "slap on the wrist". This man should be charged as a coldblooded murderer. What a sad and unjust world we live in.



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02 Apr 2013, 1:06 am

The judge is an idiot. Did the killer have rich parents who paid off the system?
In the US, we would have hung his A$$ gave him hard time, not a slap on the wrist.

So idiot judge locks him up so that in 3 years he'll be out to kill more people. Disgusting



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02 Apr 2013, 2:00 pm

Bear in mind, the one who lit the match was not the same person who doused him in tanning oil.

Do you know which tanning oils are flammable and which are not? If you slather yourself in olive oil and stand near a candle flame will you combust? If you douse yourself in ethyl alcohol will it burn long enough to cause significant damage? Do you know how to stop, drop and roll? How close can a flame get to a person covered in tanning oil before it will reach a flash point? How might any of these variables have played a role in the decision making (or lack thereof) on the part of the accused?

What is the difference between a sentence of 3 years and a sentence of 20 years? Neither will bring the victim back and both will, I suggest, provide the same specific deterrent. We are not dealing with a habitual criminal in danger of recidivism. We are dealing with a stupid, reckless, self-centred adolescent. We are dealing with someone who's life will be irretrievably changed by this misadventure. But 20 years imprisonment will do nothing more than the three to which he has been sentenced to rehabilitate him. So why waste the time, money and effort on the longer sentence? Merely to slake the public's ill-formed sense that 3 is not enough?

Armchair jurists are making an enormous number of assumptions here and they do not serve the best interests of anyone involved. Yes, a young man died, and died under tragic circumstances. Was their intent to kill? Was their intent to cause bodily harm? Was this a matter of recklessness? Was there alcohol involved? Did the amount of alcohol serve to diminish a specific intent required for murder to a general intent sufficient only for manslaughter? The judge has the benefit of years of legal experience, and more importantly having heard all the evidence that was presented to him. (Bear in mind, that with a guilty plea to manslaughter and the prosecutor's decision not to pursue murder, the judge had a very narrow discretion to act).

The mob is baying for blood, and it sickens me almost as much as the offender's crime.


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02 Apr 2013, 2:14 pm

my gut reaction to any story from the Daily Mail is to not believe it, or to believe that it was embellished or falsified in some way. but i've checked this story out, and it's pretty accurate. how horrible.


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02 Apr 2013, 2:16 pm

visagrunt wrote:

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The mob is baying for blood, and it sickens me almost as much as the offender's crime.


how very sober of an observation. i like you.


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02 Apr 2013, 2:34 pm

visagrunt wrote:
Bear in mind, the one who lit the match was not the same person who doused him in tanning oil.

Do you know which tanning oils are flammable and which are not? If you slather yourself in olive oil and stand near a candle flame will you combust? If you douse yourself in ethyl alcohol will it burn long enough to cause significant damage? Do you know how to stop, drop and roll? How close can a flame get to a person covered in tanning oil before it will reach a flash point? How might any of these variables have played a role in the decision making (or lack thereof) on the part of the accused?

What is the difference between a sentence of 3 years and a sentence of 20 years? Neither will bring the victim back and both will, I suggest, provide the same specific deterrent. We are not dealing with a habitual criminal in danger of recidivism. We are dealing with a stupid, reckless, self-centred adolescent. We are dealing with someone who's life will be irretrievably changed by this misadventure. But 20 years imprisonment will do nothing more than the three to which he has been sentenced to rehabilitate him. So why waste the time, money and effort on the longer sentence? Merely to slake the public's ill-formed sense that 3 is not enough?

Armchair jurists are making an enormous number of assumptions here and they do not serve the best interests of anyone involved. Yes, a young man died, and died under tragic circumstances. Was their intent to kill? Was their intent to cause bodily harm? Was this a matter of recklessness? Was there alcohol involved? Did the amount of alcohol serve to diminish a specific intent required for murder to a general intent sufficient only for manslaughter? The judge has the benefit of years of legal experience, and more importantly having heard all the evidence that was presented to him. (Bear in mind, that with a guilty plea to manslaughter and the prosecutor's decision not to pursue murder, the judge had a very narrow discretion to act).

The mob is baying for blood, and it sickens me almost as much as the offender's crime.


but at the same time, we have to reason that it is not okay to be apologists for this kid who obviously was being hateful and vicious beyond words. there is no excuse for his behavior, drunk, sober, or deranged. he took on the onus of culpability for whatever the outcome when he decided to abuse Steven in the first place. the court's handling of this seemed flippant from what i have read online. there is seemingly little regard, and the murderer should have tried more seriously.


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