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23 Jan 2007, 3:02 pm

The young American Actress is starring in a movie where she plays a 12 year old girl who is raped.

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,245876,00.html

The name of the film is "Hounddog", and it's being shown at the Sundance Film Festival. I saw some woman defending the decision to show this rape scene, and I wanted to vomit. Aren't films bad enough these days without including scenes that play to the worst pervert's interest?????


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23 Jan 2007, 3:19 pm

There are a bunch of goofy people who use these things as an excuse to get incensed and try to get more laws passed banning civil rights, but I don't usually call them perverts.



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23 Jan 2007, 3:41 pm

Ah, the ever-fun gender double-standard:

Do as I say, not as I do...

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Let's cut off the balls of real rapists or any potential rapists of women, but still portray ourselves as sexual objects.

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23 Jan 2007, 4:03 pm

Here's an article about it from the Salt Lake Tribune... http://www.sltrib.com/ci_5066256

I'm going to quote what I feel to be the relevent part of the article that I am going to address:

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Before the movie's premiere Monday night, everyone wondered just how graphic that scene would be. Some didn't wait to see it before they started protesting: Bill Donohue, an activist who heads the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights, has called for a boycott of the film.
The film received a generally positive reaction from Monday night's audience.
Matt Sullivan, of Orange County, Calif., was in the ticket wait-list line with his girlfriend, Ryan Physioc, at 2:30 p.m. - six hours before the screening. They are admirers of Fanning's work.
"We knew it was going to be big because of the controversy, and we heard random rumors in advance - and none of them were true," Sullivan said.


I am posting this snippet as well as a link to the entire article, because it seeme like some of the people who are protesting haven't even seen the film. This being the case, I am not even sure what the point of the protest is. Do people have a problem with the idea of child rape being discussed in a film or other work of fiction? Do they have a problem with the rape scene? If so, how is it possible to have a problem with a scene that they have not viewed? I really dont' understand...



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23 Jan 2007, 4:12 pm

Well, I posted this because I thought we have more than enough violence portrayed in movies without child rape being shown. Won't this play to pedaphile perverts? If it was in some classic story, or spoken about and portrayed offscreen, that would be different. But, as I understand, the whole film is about her listening to Elvis music as a way to get over being raped (???)


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23 Jan 2007, 4:23 pm

Here's the description from the Sundance Film Guide

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Like a lily growing in the swamp, Lewellen, a precocious southern girl, radiates splendor amidst the murk that surrounds her. She is being raised by her abusive father and disciplinarian grandmother, and finds comfort, joy, and strength in music--she is obsessed with Elvis Presley and breaks into his songs whenever the mood strikes. In addition to music, playing in the woods with her friend, Buddy, brings a few other moments of childhood happiness. Their playing drifts toward innocent sexual games, however, and it becomes evident that Lewellen has a painful history that she keeps buried inside. When another tragedy strikes, will her spirit finally break, or will her inspiring resiliency carry her on?

A southern Gothic tale about a girl finding strength to overcome debilitating obstacles, Hounddog is endowed with a phenomenal performance by Dakota Fanning. She tackles an immensely challenging role--a role that would have scared off even the most seasoned of actors--with an awareness and ferocity that will leave audiences shaken to their core. Writer/director Deborah Kampmeier displays a delicate touch in handling the horrific events, which makes their impact even greater. Lacing the film with compelling imagery, she crafts a powerful story about an indomitable spirit and the power of the blues.— Trevor Groth


So, I got the impression that she was singing Elvis songs to escape her generally sh*tty life and the rape was just another sh*tty thing to happen to her. I understand why you would think that this could play to paedophile perverts. However, my understanding is that the scene was done tactfully enough that it would not come accross as child porn. I don't have tickets to see this particular movie, tho, so I won't be able to give authoritative statements about the quality of the rape scene.



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23 Jan 2007, 4:36 pm

I don't think this is appropriate. I also understand they are showing a movie about a man-horse relationship. [sarcasm]Very high end stuff they are showing at the Sundance Film Festival.[/sarcasm]



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23 Jan 2007, 4:43 pm

That's true, jimservo, from what I hear. It's a documentary regarding three men (two who don't show their face) who have sex with animals. It's called "Zoo", and sounds utterly revolting ! !!


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23 Jan 2007, 5:20 pm

My gut reaction is I agree I do not like this idea. But my guess if its
handled right it will do more good than bad. Forexample if it shows
a young person dealing with the situation : going to the police,
getting counseling and the rapiest getting a long prison sentence.



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23 Jan 2007, 6:03 pm

TheMachine1 wrote:
My gut reaction is I agree I do not like this idea. But my guess if its
handled right it will do more good than bad. Forexample if it shows
a young person dealing with the situation : going to the police,
getting counseling and the rapiest getting a long prison sentence.


From the desriptions I've read, none of that happens. It's potentially very offensive to Southerners in the US.


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23 Jan 2007, 6:11 pm

Prof_Pretorius wrote:
TheMachine1 wrote:
My gut reaction is I agree I do not like this idea. But my guess if its
handled right it will do more good than bad. Forexample if it shows
a young person dealing with the situation : going to the police,
getting counseling and the rapiest getting a long prison sentence.


From the desriptions I've read, none of that happens. It's potentially very offensive to Southerners in the US.


In that case burn Hollywood burn! :x



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23 Jan 2007, 6:33 pm

hummm. . .
well, I guess that means those who HAVE had this happen to them should get their therapy quietly, and not bother others now that they are 'debauched.' Don't want to upset all those people that don't have to deal with this in their lives. How lewd to titalate people with child molestation issues. We need to keep this sort of thing in the closet, victimize the survivors, and play like it doesn't happen along with children with Autism and AS!

See how something can be perverted for anyone's taste?
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23 Jan 2007, 6:39 pm

sinsboldly wrote:
hummm. . .
well, I guess that means those who HAVE had this happen to them should get their therapy quietly, and not bother others now that they are 'debauched.' Don't want to upset all those people that don't have to deal with this in their lives. How lewd to titalate people with child molestation issues. We need to keep this sort of thing in the closet, victimize the survivors, and play like it doesn't happen along with children with Autism and AS!

See how something can be perverted for anyone's taste?
Merle


No one is saying any woman or girl who has been raped should be 'closeted'. I doubt that the molestors in the audience will be handed a conscience by seeing this movie...


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23 Jan 2007, 6:41 pm

LOL, a lot of stuff is offensive to southerners, but then again, the truth hurts. And they have a lot of sordid history, but by no means have a corner on the market for it.

I am more open minded, and I feel if the movie (any movie, not just the one in question) can show a positive impact, like overcoming such horrid things without creating a spectacle of the actual events, then it is worth having. But I do agree that the less actually shown and the more left to the imagination while still having some action on screen is best. There are decent ways to address the issue and still be shocking enough to make your point.



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23 Jan 2007, 9:46 pm

jimservo wrote:
I don't think this is appropriate. I also understand they are showing a movie about a man-horse relationship. [sarcasm]Very high end stuff they are showing at the Sundance Film Festival.[/sarcasm]

Have you ever seen Equus?



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23 Jan 2007, 10:12 pm

Yes, Equus is far more acceptable.



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