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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 4:43 pm    Post subject: My views on the afterlife, and the 75 virgins... Reply with quote

Now I'm not here to condone or promote suicide bombing, nor am I here to preach, (just for the record I consider myself a Christian, more on that in a bit) but rather to ask is the concept of God (or whoever you choose to call Him/Her/It) giving to someone 75 women (or men) to use for their sexual pleasure in their spell in Paradise really wrong?

Before I go on, my belief on God is (to put it briefly) this...

God, who may or may not have created the universe with the Big Bang (I'm sure on the Big Bang part though) lets anyone into Heaven if they embrace Him/Her/It, be it on their deathbeds or via living their lives to a religious code.

Regardless of whatever sins they commit the moment they embrace God (or Jesus) they are forgiven of all their sins past, present and future.

This can be found in the Bible and as far as I see things I think it makes sense as I don't have to constantly go to confession everytime I do something wrong.

While it means that bad people as well as good people (just to make sure God shows Himself to anyone who is dying via a simple telepathic projection) in the case of the former they are simply reprogrammed into being good and perfect people (this happens to all of us) after being punished for a temporary period.

Granted you won't find this in the Bible, but it is JUST A BOOK, written by men, some of its right, some of it wrong.

Once in Heaven (or whatever you wish to call it) you can have ANYTHING you want (after all if God can create life and universes then surely he can make a replicater like they have on 'Star Trek') which leads me to my one and only question regarding this.

In the Muslim faith, it is said that the least of ones rewards in Paradise is an army of (willing) sex slaves, granted this has been hijacked (like so many other things) by the terrorists but if one just assumes that one gets this for leading a holy life (rather than dying for ones faith in a 'holy war') then I don't think its all that bad.

The reason why is because, although I consider myself a Christian I also agree with some of the beliefs other other religions.

Technically one may argue that as I choose not to observe the 'laws' (barring the moral ones, eg 'You Shall Not Kill') for fear that I may find myself in Hell (as I know that it is irrelevant to me) you may say that I'm non religious, but as I have not found another name for someone who believes in God and Heaven, then say that I am.

Anyway back to my main point, if I was to die tonight (it is night time as I type this) in spite of me being in a safe place, in prefect health and with no intention of committing suicide, and I was presented with 72 (or 75) WILLING sex slaves (along with a full collection of Marvel Comics and Doctor Who Episodes, along with the spin offs plus everything I have ever wanted) I would shamelessly accept my gifts Virgins and all.

(In case you are wondering, no I am not desperate for sex as it is not as important to me as it used to be in the past)

Now I know some people who feel that having God magic up sex slaves for men (and women) is wrong, not due to their being prudes, but rather due to the fact that they feel that it is wrong to impose onto others how they spend their lives.

I can understand if this was being done to people who were kidnapped as children and brainwashed into becoming to willing work as prostitutes (or soldiers or whatever) as it is wrong for any human being to do that to another human being.

But if people were artificially bred (ie they were clones who owe their very existence to their creators/masters) to work at various jobs and were treated well, then I see no issue with this.

After all if it were considered 'normal' then I can't see all that many people turning down sex slaves, or any other kind of slave for that matter.

Sure they would have to be brainwashed to the max so that the clones themselves would be willing to do all this, but if they did not know of any other/better kind of life for themselves then I think that it would be fine as their ignorance would be their bliss.

Goodbye, Till Next Time
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After reading your post, Iam still a bit confused as to what your view of the 70 Virgins is, (maybe its 75 now in an attempt to tempt more converts?).

I think you are saying you think there is nothing wrong with it, especially if God creates them for you, (which might help explain the question of how long do you have 70 Virgins for if you are shagging one or two every night, God could just create new ones for you?).

My view is that such is a sin, greediness, like gluttony, an abandonment to Lust for purely lusts sake, ie, not as an enhancer of Love.

So would God, who has sent all those sinners to your view of Hell, then spend all his days helping the saved to commit those very sins he condemned others for?

Seems to me that to be saved, a sinner should hate his slavery to sin, and want Jesus to one day free him from it, not to hope Jesus will help him sin even more in the afterlife.

The Qur'an offers torture to the Godless, and sexual excess to the converted, no mention of what God wants or enticement to Love him, this plainly Identifies Islam as a fleshly religion of man, offering purely fleshly enticements that would appeal to fleshly man.

A bit like the Catholic Church, except they leave out the positive side of the choice.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My whole view on the 75 virgins and suicide bombers was best summed up by ventriloquist and comedian Jeff Dunham. Using his puppet character of Walter (a grumpy old man), Jeff used this description...

"April Fool's, dumbass! Way to go; I bet you can't frickin' do it again!"

Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



... or maybe they are ... ?

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to the historians I have read, early Korans never mention 72 virgins. In fact, the belief appears to be a translation error. What original Korans actually say is that they will get 70 grapes. Can you imagine the disappointed look of a terrorists face as he asks, " What the F is this?"
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why on Earth (or Heaven) would anybody want 70 clones, sans free will, to have sex with? That's just glorified masturbation.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember an aside in Family Guy, where a terrorist finds himself in heaven with his 75 virgins - Star Trek and D&D nerds. All boys.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 7:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sherlock03 wrote:
According to the historians I have read, early Korans never mention 72 virgins. In fact, the belief appears to be a translation error. What original Korans actually say is that they will get 70 grapes. Can you imagine the disappointed look of a terrorists face as he asks, " What the F is this?"


I have read about this somewhere online, but I feel that it is somewhat unconvincing as in Muslim culture the idea of having 70 virgin girls to do your bidding (I'd just be happy with one, and the fact that she may or may not be a virgin is not important) seems to be the in thing with them.

As for the posts referring to terrorism may I point out that while I found some of the jokes funny, I did not start this thread in order to talk about terrorism, but rather to ask if anyone would be ok with having willing slaves (for any reason) if they could have them as in my experience people with AS (myself included, to a degree) are always happy when things are going their way, regardless of how other people feel.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 7:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ It does not exist in the Muslim culture, I've heard of it first time from terrorists on the news.

Moderate Muslims often joke about it, they don't buy it.

It's not like our mothers tell us "if you are a good boy, you'll get 70 virgin bitches" Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is believed by some that the origin of the 70-75-whatever virgins goes back to the Hashashin cult, a cult of Assassins (and it is the origin of the word itself), it is believed that the founder was used to drug his followers with hash and lead them to a 'paradise' full of naked women for few hours before drug them again and waking them up to convince them it was a glimpse of paradise and they shall submit to his teachings.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

steverogers wrote:
I did not start this thread in order to talk about terrorism, but rather to ask if anyone would be ok with having willing slaves (for any reason) if they could have them as in my experience people with AS (myself included, to a degree) are always happy when things are going their way, regardless of how other people feel.


Sure. I'd be happy to accommodate them.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, you are asking if I would approve of 70 virgin slaves? I am picturing Ariel Costro as a depraved warden who has 70 woman locked up in cells to be tortured at will. This is about the part in the movie were Bruce Willis come in wielding a Katana. I think it takes a seriously depraved mind to think that one persons heaven includes a hell for 70 woman.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sherlock03 wrote:
So, you are asking if I would approve of 70 virgin slaves? I am picturing Ariel Costro as a depraved warden who has 70 woman locked up in cells to be tortured at will. This is about the part in the movie were Bruce Willis come in wielding a Katana. I think it takes a seriously depraved mind to think that one persons heaven includes a hell for 70 woman.


Of course when that belief came into being, virtually no one anywhere believed women were real people, and thus could have cared less about how they felt.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kraichgauer wrote:
Sherlock03 wrote:
So, you are asking if I would approve of 70 virgin slaves? I am picturing Ariel Costro as a depraved warden who has 70 woman locked up in cells to be tortured at will. This is about the part in the movie were Bruce Willis come in wielding a Katana. I think it takes a seriously depraved mind to think that one persons heaven includes a hell for 70 woman.


Of course when that belief came into being, virtually no one anywhere believed women were real people, and thus could have cared less about how they felt.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



Right, but it's not that simple. The distortion of these ideas is kind of "telephone"-esque, you know, like that game where one tells another person something in the ear and at the end it's totally different message?

It's an Arabic concept, but it's told in a simplified way to Westerners in a way they'd understand it, but when it gets to like Family Guy levels, they're just mocking it...all Westernized too...btw I am an American.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
It's an Arabic concept, but it's told in a simplified way to Westerners in a way they'd understand it


Does that mean that western Muslims don't understand it completely either?
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