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18 Mar 2014, 3:10 pm

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/03/18/t ... -like-men/

Does anyone agree that it's ironic that the head of the Texas GOP is a woman?


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18 Mar 2014, 11:50 pm

Doesn't surprise me. It's becoming popular these days for Republicans to advocate racially segregated lunch counters again, as well as denying service to gays (businesses should have the right to serve whoever they like, after all!). Putting the burden on the discriminated against party seems to be the Republican answer to everything from women's rights, to minority and gay rights.


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18 Mar 2014, 11:56 pm

Maybe it is because she does not think like a woman. This is not going to win over many women voters.


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19 Mar 2014, 3:12 am

it is almost like the GOP has impaired theory of mind.



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19 Mar 2014, 10:42 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Doesn't surprise me. It's becoming popular these days for Republicans to advocate racially segregated lunch counters again,

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as well as denying service to gays (businesses should have the right to serve whoever they like, after all!).

That's a question that should be reduced simply to whose rights trump whose, the patron or the business owner and I suppose a case could be made for both.
Personally, I don't see how someone can automatically and accurately distinguish between a gay and straight customer on sight each time to be able deny them service.


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19 Mar 2014, 11:22 am

Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Doesn't surprise me. It's becoming popular these days for Republicans to advocate racially segregated lunch counters again,

Got examples of this?

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as well as denying service to gays (businesses should have the right to serve whoever they like, after all!).

That's a question that should be reduced simply to whose rights trump whose, the patron or the business owner and I suppose a case could be made for both.
Personally, I don't see how someone can automatically and accurately distinguish between a gay and straight customer on sight each time to be able deny them service.


Both Rand Paul and now some idiot legislator in South Dakota have stated businesses should be able to turn away any customer, even if it's a matter of the customer's race. Their argument is, the free market will weed out these evil businesses, since libertarians seem to believe in the inherent goodness of all people, and that people will naturally do the right thing without government interference.
As for businesses having the right to turn away gay customers - Jan Brewer in Arizona just vetoed an idiot proposed law that would have given business owners the right to do just that.
Regarding how gay and straight customers are indistinguishable - yes, if they are total strangers to one another. But what if a homophobic business owner recognizes a gay individual? Or what if a gay couple comes in expressing affection for one another? Sort of hard to miss that, even for an Aspie.


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19 Mar 2014, 12:11 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Doesn't surprise me. It's becoming popular these days for Republicans to advocate racially segregated lunch counters again,

Got examples of this?

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as well as denying service to gays (businesses should have the right to serve whoever they like, after all!).

That's a question that should be reduced simply to whose rights trump whose, the patron or the business owner and I suppose a case could be made for both.
Personally, I don't see how someone can automatically and accurately distinguish between a gay and straight customer on sight each time to be able deny them service.


Both Rand Paul and now some idiot legislator in South Dakota have stated businesses should be able to turn away any customer, even if it's a matter of the customer's race. Their argument is, the free market will weed out these evil businesses, since libertarians seem to believe in the inherent goodness of all people, and that people will naturally do the right thing without government interference.


While I do not condone discrimination based on race, on the other hand I don't want to see businesses being told they cannot deny service in their establishment. This is a property rights issue more than anything and the right to deny service for whatever reason should be at the discretion of the owner. The miniscule number of businesses that will deny service based solely on race isn't worthy of pursuing and certainly not worthy of undermining ALL business owner's rights.

I don't even know why this thread is in News and Current Events when it's more of a PPR topic.


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19 Mar 2014, 12:54 pm

AnonymousAnonymous wrote:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/03/18/texas-gop-director-tells-women-stop-suing-for-equal-rights-and-negotiate-like-men/

Does anyone agree that it's ironic that the head of the Texas GOP is a woman?


One does not negotiate rights, one demands them or one fights for them.

Question: is equal pay a right?

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19 Mar 2014, 1:01 pm

Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Doesn't surprise me. It's becoming popular these days for Republicans to advocate racially segregated lunch counters again,

Got examples of this?

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as well as denying service to gays (businesses should have the right to serve whoever they like, after all!).

That's a question that should be reduced simply to whose rights trump whose, the patron or the business owner and I suppose a case could be made for both.
Personally, I don't see how someone can automatically and accurately distinguish between a gay and straight customer on sight each time to be able deny them service.


Both Rand Paul and now some idiot legislator in South Dakota have stated businesses should be able to turn away any customer, even if it's a matter of the customer's race. Their argument is, the free market will weed out these evil businesses, since libertarians seem to believe in the inherent goodness of all people, and that people will naturally do the right thing without government interference.


While I do not condone discrimination based on race, on the other hand I don't want to see businesses being told they cannot deny service in their establishment. This is a property rights issue more than anything and the right to deny service for whatever reason should be at the discretion of the owner. The miniscule number of businesses that will deny service based solely on race isn't worthy of pursuing and certainly not worthy of undermining ALL business owner's rights.

I don't even know why this thread is in News and Current Events when it's more of a PPR topic.


Businesses can deny service - to the intoxicated, the rude, or the violent. But then there are the rights of customers who have the right to be treated just like anyone else.
And to say that the number of businesses that would practice racial discrimination is miniscule is very likely true - but only because of laws ensuring the rights of customers that have been in effect for decades. It must be remembered, there were plenty of businesses that had denied service to blacks even in places where it was not the law at one time. And where racial segregation was the law, it was happily supported by business owners.


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19 Mar 2014, 1:05 pm

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AnonymousAnonymous wrote:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/03/18/texas-gop-director-tells-women-stop-suing-for-equal-rights-and-negotiate-like-men/

Does anyone agree that it's ironic that the head of the Texas GOP is a woman?


One does not negotiate rights, one demands them or one fights for them.

Question: is equal pay a right?

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If you erase the word woman, and replace it with black, then ask, is equal pay a right, I think the answer would clearly be yes. So in my humble opinion, yes, it is.


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19 Mar 2014, 1:18 pm

ruveyn wrote:
AnonymousAnonymous wrote:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/03/18/texas-gop-director-tells-women-stop-suing-for-equal-rights-and-negotiate-like-men/

Does anyone agree that it's ironic that the head of the Texas GOP is a woman?


One does not negotiate rights, one demands them or one fights for them.

Question: is equal pay a right?

ruveyn


I believe it is a right if you do equal work.


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19 Mar 2014, 1:19 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
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One does not negotiate rights, one demands them or one fights for them.

Question: is equal pay a right?

ruveyn


If you erase the word woman, and replace it with black, then ask, is equal pay a right, I think the answer would clearly be yes. So in my humble opinion, yes, it is.


THIS.


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19 Mar 2014, 1:33 pm

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I don't even know why this thread is in News and Current Events when it's more of a PPR topic.

[Moved from News and Current Events to PPR]



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19 Mar 2014, 2:20 pm

Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Doesn't surprise me. It's becoming popular these days for Republicans to advocate racially segregated lunch counters again,

Got examples of this?


There have been threads here on WP where this was argued, and unsurprisingly all were locked after the craziness began.

While it isn't actually becoming popular, it has been gaining some acceptance among some of the more extreme conservatives who advocate that white Americans are the only true Americans on a basis of "cultural preservation."


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19 Mar 2014, 2:21 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Question: is equal pay a right?


Yes.


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19 Mar 2014, 2:27 pm

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While I do not condone discrimination based on race, on the other hand I don't want to see businesses being told they cannot deny service in their establishment. This is a property rights issue more than anything and the right to deny service for whatever reason should be at the discretion of the owner. The miniscule number of businesses that will deny service based solely on race isn't worthy of pursuing and certainly not worthy of undermining ALL business owner's rights.


I guess it boils down to:
Do the rights of the business owner outweigh the rights of the members of the public?

If a business provides goods or services to the public, then I feel that they should be required to respect the laws protecting said public, regardless of the physical location or the name on the deed.

And even if you do go the whole property rights route, what about businesses that lease? Should they be subject to their landlord's discriminatory policies even if they do not agree?


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