Stand up to UKIP

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Fantastic new site.

http://standuptoukip.org/

Points -

* UKIP wants to introduce a flat rate income tax of 31%. That means low-paid workers would face a huge tax hike—while the Duke of Westminster, who is worth a cool £7.8bn, would get a tax cut.

* UKIP leader Nigel Farage says he’s a man of the people. But the Daily Mirror exposed how he opened a trust fund in an offshore tax haven, in a bid to save thousands of pounds in tax—money that could be spent on schools, hospitals and public housing.

* UKIP blames migrant workers from Eastern Europe for the economic crisis, unemployment and lack of housing. This is racist scapegoating: the bankers and their rich City friends created the crisis. Immigrants haven’t shut down major workplaces, closed hospitals or sent your gas
and electricity bills through the roof.

*UKIP claims to be anti- establishment. But Farage is a private school educated, ex-Tory City broker. On top of his £81,500 a year salary as
an MEP, he has claimed £2m of taxpayers’ money in expenses and allowances.

*UKIP is riddled with racists, sexists, homophobes and bigots. Nigel Farage says his political hero is Enoch Powell, whose 1968 ‘Rivers of Blood’ speech has been a touchstone for racists and fascists ever since. When fascists were exposed among UKIP election candidates, Farage admitted the party couldn't vet its candidates to keep them out.

*UKIP wants to take money away from state schools and give it to private schools like Eton. It pledges to hugely increase military spending, building seven aircraft carriers. This would cost £48.3bn— almost half the NHS budget for a year.

*UKIP boasts that if it got into power it would scrap the European Convention on Human Rights. UKIP also opposes same-sex marriage,
standing against equal rights for gay people.

Oh, for the love of Nod...

Stand Up To UKIP is a front for the violent extremist organization Unite Against Fascism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_Against_Fascism

They even share the same address.

From their own links:

Source: http://standuptoukip.org/leaflets-and-badges/


Source: http://uaf.org.uk/contacts/

Unite Against Fascism still has Azad Ali as Vice-Chair:
http://uaf.org.uk/about/our-officers/

Need I remind you who he is?

Here is (again)a quote from undercover footage from Azad Ali (starts at 0:20):

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8vxc2yqyMs[/youtube]

Yes, but Farridge is way more likely to have political power - to affect day to day life - in the UK than Azad Ali. For some reason I can't fathom, he has been promoted way above his party's popularity (particularly by the BBC), until the promotion worked and popularity caught up. As far as anti-democratic sentiments go, UKIP could actually do real damage to the country.

Whatever your feelings about UAF, (I for one think that UAF have done sterling work in spearheading activism against the BNP) they are not a parliamentary entity and unlike UKIP are NOT vying for political office. The fact that UKIP are, coupled with their deeply venomous and backward reactionary policies makes them a far greater threat to ordinary, particularly economically underprivileged people.

If you don't understand that basic disconnect, then there is no hope for you.

Moreover UAF is hardly a specifically Islamic group by any stretch of the imagination and nothing short of hyperbole to call it a violent group. It is actually the ideological successor of the Anti Nazi league, which was a Socialist Worker's Party project. It has in its ranks secularists and muslims alike. It attracts muslim sympathisers because of their opposition to the BNP and other anti Islam groups. It wasnt created by Islamists.

...or just admit, you don't like lefties, viper.

Well, the problem with islamophobia (in the sense of fear of islam) is that everybody has it. Fearing islam is a rational fear. It's not a phobia in the sense of fearing birds or lizards. We saw on TV, for the last 15 years, literally hundreds of suicide atacks all over the world. It's not even new(s) to us anymore.

As long as islamophobia is only expressed by fascists, while the left tries to deny to itself what is at plain sight, we are in deep trouble. If this dynamic continues the fascists will grow and so will the islamic extremists. Nobody wins in this scenario. Islamophobia cannot be explored and turned into hate. It has to be accepted as rational and dealt with in a mature way.

So, to the point, islam already has a lot of power. Very few dare to publically criticise islam _ for good and perfectly rational reasons. The growth of islam's power will be directly proportional to the growth of the fascists. It's a self reinforcing dynamic that can only be stopped by reason. Not politically correct reason. Actual reason.

Day-to-day, Islam is not a problem for me. Nor even Islamists. What is a problem for me, and people I care about, is the present bunch of fuckwits who hold power, in particular their hateful, petty policies towards the disabled and unemployed. These policies are leading people to suicide, never mind the general immiseration and utter panic. They and the tabloids - who are largely right wing - have whipped up a campaign of fear and loathing that has led to an increase in attacks on disabled people.

These people have actually ruined and ended British lives on a scale way beyond any budding British Islamist could manage.

A smaller problem, but still greater than anything local Muslims might pose, is the possibility of such arses as UKIP getting power - even if they don't win seats, they have been given far more publicity than their performance should suggest, and far more than other small parties (who actually have MPs), and so scope as to influence the political landscape, to the negative.

There was an election near here last year, for the Welsh Assembly. Plaid Cymru, the leftist Welsh independence party, dominated - they got over three times the number of votes as the second placed Labour. UKIP came third. Guess which electoral performance was all over the news? Yep, UKIP, who got a quarter of the votes Plaid Cymru got.

People do speak out against Islam. All the time. They usually preface it with the remark, 'Of course, you can't say this sort of thing, but...' and then go on to say the sort of thing they apparently can't say.

ETA: Indeed, so happy and relaxed are some British about having a pop at Islam, they'll often just make s**t up and stick it on the front page of their newspapers:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_CKEgO3Fm4[/youtube]

These are obviously stupid policies. These, and others like them (massively expanded the prison population, withdrawing from the EU, a tiny immigration cap, and most worryingly,climate change denial) are the best reason to oppose UKIP.

This isn't quite true. UKIP (or at least the elites) claim to be against forcing clergy to

It was a trust fund for his children, so he wasn't benefiting. I think an awful lot of people would do the same thing - and of course, this is actively legal, it's the Isle Of Man!

I agree that UKIP preys n popularist fears about immigration rather than the real facts, but I think it is a bit rich of you to scapegoat bankers for the rising cost of energy... (pun unintended)

He now estimates it at about £3m. He is perfectly entitled to at least the vast majority of this; being an MEP is very expensive. I do think he should try to actually do his job a bit more though. I do not have a problem with party leaders being educated at private schools.

All parties have these problems; I know the Lib Dems have some serious problems with sexism. Oppose the individual candidates first and foremost.

UKIP is, I believe, the only party to ban former National Front, BNP and EDL members from its ranks. Personally, I think that could be too harsh if anything, a former National Front member could easily have renounced their membership of a racist organisation. This might not be a particularly effective measure, but credit to them, they are trying.

I think there's a possibility that perhaps they're the only party who really needed to, in terms of volume of such ex-members flocking to the party and that, given the policies that draw them, they may not have particularly renounced their former ways.