Why Pope John Paul II did not get a Nobel Peace?

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Why Pope John Paul II did not get a Nobel Peace Prize while, pastor Desmond Tutu and the Dalai Lama got?

I do not want to downplay the merits of the Dalai Lama and Pastor Desmond Tutu, but John Paul II has deserve it too, He helped peacefully dismantle the communist system in Eastern Europe.

Although the Dali Lama also fought and continue to fight against illegal annex his country Tibet by the PRC, and its forced secularisation. And pastor Desmond Tutu fought apartheid and racism in South Africa, but the Holy Father John Paul II also deserved the Nobel Peace Prize for his achievements, but the Nobel Prize is not awarded posthumously that's pity

John Paul II is likely responsible for millions of HIV deaths in Africa due to his anti-condom stance and the influence of the Catholic Church in Africa.

He is one of the most evil persons who have ever lived.

No he's not

And soon be a saint

I do not understand your aversion to the Catholic Church, John Paul II's resistance to condoms, the pope after just did not want to not underestimate human sexuality began to not see sex as a meaningless fun without consequences.

John Paul II and the Catholic church is also against abortion, for two reasons, "Thou shalt not kill." You can not treat human life as if mean nothing.

So you think that it is important to prevent sex from being seen as "meaningless fun without consequences", but you really don't give a damn about all those Africans who contracted HIV and died from AIDS because the Catholic Church told them not to use condoms?

Actually, nobody in the 20th century has done more to stop the death penalty than John Paul II (he was largely responsible for the moratorium on Cuba, for instance). The catholic church today pays for 25% of all the medical healthcare in the world--and very few practicing catholics in Africa view contraceptions as evil.

John Paul II had flaws like everyone else, but if you take into consideration that Nelson Mandela spoke fondly of Gaddafi, that Mahatma Ghandi was a staunch racist--or that the Dalai Lama is supposedly the reincarnation of someone who chopped the hands and feet of petty thieves, he wasn't that bad. Every great person in history had a fatal flaw.

Oh, goody...

According to the WHO, 1.6 million people died of AIDS in 2012. HIV/AIDS is the leading cause of death in Africa, even surpassing malaria.
According to Amnesty International, at least 682 persons were executed in 2012. Even if we multiply this number by ten to over-account for the unknown Chinese executions, it would still amount to less than half a percent of HIV/AIDS deaths.


Source?

Because I have this:



Source: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... raception/

And it doesn't really matter if it is the "practising catholics" or not, because the Catholic Church has been aggressively sabotaging public health campaigns targeted at *all* citizens in several African countries by falsely claiming that condoms do not protect against HIV.

Remember this?
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/oct/09/aids

... this was during John Paul II's reign (with the later Benedict doing the dirty work as prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith).

And judging by the behaviour of the Catholic Church, one could almost assume that they were *trying* to ignite an HIV epidemic in the Philippines:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/26/c ... ilippines/
http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/201 ... ic-church/

What is really damning is than John Paul II made anti-contraception statements throughout the early 1980s, when HIV was effectively a rapid death sentence due to no treatment possibilities.
http://www.catholicsagainstcontraceptio ... 8_1996.htm

Last edited by GGPViper on 18 Apr 2014, 5:57 am, edited 1 time in total.

Protip for the who-decides-who-deserves-sainthood-people:

This reminds me that it's often confused me, the no-contraception rule contributing to the spread of HIV.

I assume it's something more refracted and filtered at a culural/social level than it simply being Catholics who take the line on the sin of contraception, but don't heed the whole 'no non-marital sex' thing? Because the latter always struck me as odd.

The catholics are not the only ones pushing the anti-condom policy in Africa. Both evangelical Christian denominations (many of whom technically consider themselves Protestant) and Muslim denominations do the same thing. None of those, however, have the political influence and the economic backing in Africa equivalent to the Pope.

If some irrelevant Imam or Evangelical pastor spoke out against condoms, the damage would likely be limited because neither Islam (since the end of the Rashidun Caliphate) nor Protestantism (ever) has a supreme leader. When John Paul II denounces condom use, however, it will likely have a much greater impact due to the fact that the Pope is the supreme leader of a church with more than 1 billion adherents word-wide.

And why you think that Desmond Tutu deserves the title of saint more than the Great Pope John Paul II?

Sainthood is a meaningless title used to advertise the church, nothing more.

By the way, remember when The Great Pope Saint John Paul II took American priests accused of molesting children and placed them in Rome where they were beyond the reach of American law enforcement? Dohoho, those Saints and their wacky antics!

Here are some more wacky Popes and their zany antics. Some took kissing the ring a bit too far.

http://www.oddee.com/item_96537.aspx

I do not believe that Desmond Tutu deserves the title of saint more than the Great Pope John Paul II... Because I do not believe that there ever was any Great Pope John Paul II.

Desmond Tutu has been vocal in the advocacy of the use of condoms to combat HIV infection.
Desmond Tutu has been vocal in the advocacy of women's rights.
Desmond Tutu has been vocal in the advocacy of LGBT rights.

John Paul II has done the exact opposite (explicitly condemning the use of contraception on multiple occasions, explicitly - and authoritatively - denying female ordination in the Catholic Church in 1994 and explicitly called gay rights an "ideology of evil" in 2005.)

Sure, let's canonize someone as a Christian Saint who apparently has never read - let alone understood - the Great Commandment in Matthew 22:35-40 and Mark 12:28-31.

Irrelevant. The AIDS epidemy had started in the 1960s and had already spread outside Africa by 1980; a decade before John Paul IIs infamous speech. You're also missing the fact that the countries with the highest prevalence of AIDS (Swaziland, Botswana, Lesotho, Zimbabwe and South Africa) are not Catholic countries, with the exception of Zimbabwe.



Actually, the Catholic church pays for more than 60% of all healthcare in Africa, and 25% of all HIV treatment in the world. If the church is actively sabotaging campaigns, why is the infection rate per capita rapidly falling? The infection rate has fallen by 33% since 2001, and the death rate has fallen by 30% since it's peak in 2005.



I too can use CTRL-C+CTRL-V:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11804398
http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/20 ... says-pope/



AIDS usually transmits via anal sex; this is nothing new. Furthermore, this is because of the government's politicians, not the pope.



Do you read the entire articles you post?

"But Friday, he denied the church would consider such action against the president. “While the prevailing sentiment of a number of bishops was that of dismay and frustration over the reported stance of the president regarding artificial contraceptives, imposition of the canonical sanction has not been contemplated by the CBCP,” he said in a statement."



He makes no mention of HIV or AIDS, nor any venereal disease in any of these quotes.

As far as contraceptive use goes:

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablo ... ion-health
https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key ... XnvwJ-SsHQ

Contraceptive use mirrors the infrastructure rather than the prevalence of the Catholic faith.

The fact that John Paul II gave resist the leftist ideology of political correctness that speaks well of him.

Is good that he did not allowed for the appointment of women as priests.
Because the priesthood is not for women. While i do support women as World, lawmakers, astronaut etc. But priesthood was traditinaly mans role, Christianity originated from Judaism, and among the Jews, both those living in Jesus' time as well as today, is unlikely to meet a woman rabbi

His instrumentality in overthrowing Communism in eastern Europe probably weighed against him.