Pat Condell on Israel and Gaza

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While Pat Condell is full of sh!t sometimes, everything he says in this YouTube clip is spot on. Watch the entire clip before you post anything in this thread.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ugsv5u-sW0[/youtube]

As expected he has nothing to offer other than the usual rehashed and refuted talking points that have been regurgitated throughout this slaughter.

- "Syria and other muslim on muslim violence"-
The difference is Israel is a supposed ally of the west which as a self proclaimed developed democracy, espousing western values. Not only that, it recieves copious amounts of financial aid, weapons, political and moral backing particularly from countries such as America. When Israel abuses this support to commit atrocities like the sort we have witnessed the last month, and governments in the west feign ignorance, then the citizens of the west have a right, nay a duty to show indignation at violence being orchestrated in their name and with the complicity of their governments.

-"Palestinians should actively criticise Hamas"-
This is a bit rich for a Israel supporter to argue when it was Israel that created Hamas in the first place, as a tool to break up and undermine the Palestinian authority

In regards to human shields the only evidence that this is widely practiced by hamas is hearsay from IDF sources and decreasingly a legitimate moral high ground for Israel to take since its well documented that Israel also uses human shields and is deliberately targeting civillians such as in the UNHRC hospital. It is ridiculous that the hospital could be a hamas storage building as it was under rigourous UN inspection.



-"It was Hamas that started the violence in the first place"-
This is a falsehood since the rocket attacks were on the backs of the illegal settlements and a slew of other abusive Israeli practices such as the blockade and arbitary harrassment and the curtailing of the use of roads and other essential services. Sadly the hack media in the west ignored this important part of the story now the narrative looks like a defensive operation with Israel recieving the sympathy.

Its now been proven beyond all doubt that Hamas had nothing to do with the missing teenagers, since the kidnappings and killings occured in west bank and in the intercepted audio the kidnappers were heard speaking Hebrew.

What is more given the pathetic efficacy of Hamas rockets, and Israels up and coming energy issues, the justification for attacking Gaza is opaquely a smokescreen to secure the oil reserves in Palestinian waters that the Israeli government knows very well are there.

-"Israel is the only democracy in the middle east!"-
So what? What right does that give Israel to determine the governments of other sovereign nations? As repugnant as Israel and its allies may find Hamas, the people of Gaza had a right to elect them and punishing the people of Gaza for failing to vote the correct way will do nothing to deter future support for Hamas.

Quoting the idea that Arab representation in the Knesset somehow means that Israel is a civilised country where Jews and Arabs live alongside each other in mutual cooperation is so much bull. 13 out of 120 were Arab and the Israeli system has acted punitively toward that tiny minority.

Arab politicians were harassed for visits to countries considered "enemies of the Israeli state". This policy was admittedly subsequently repealed but it was also followed by beatings of 8 Knesset Aran members during demonstrations and laws which restricted the Arab right to form and choose their own parties and representation.

Tried tested and refuted rhetoric.

Israel didn't create Hamas but they provided fertile ground for the precursor Mujama Al-Islamiya to morph into it. Mujama Al-Islamiya were registered as a charity and allowed to build schools and mosques. Israel did nothing to try and quell the outbreaks of violence between the left wing secularists. Israel's intervention in Gazan affairs seems to have actually introduced radicalism since Islamists were during the 70's/80's more intent on Quaranic study than anything else.

Yeah, 20% of the entire population of Israel is a tiny minority alright!

Personally, I think that Israeli Arabs are terribly badly represented in the Knesset by the people they elect. Hopefully, given time, they will vote for candidates and parties that will actually work to improve their situation in Israel instead of voting for people who just keep them under the cosh and obsessed with something they can't do anything about.

The Arabs are the biggest victims of themselves. I think it's criminal how they treat each other.

Worth noting that very few Arabs in Israel actually want to live under Arab/Palestinian rule. Living under Israeli rule means they keep their higher standard of living, their free speech, and their pint of beer.

Its clear I was referring to the minority of Arabs in the Knesset. The Arabic representation is not proportional to the numbers of Arabs in the population.

I think its criminal how the Israelis treat the Gazans. If you're trying to equate Arab living conditions within Israel with the Israelis somehow occupying a moral highground I would invite you to look at the gradual contraction of Gazan fishing zones. I also invite you to consider the coming Israeli energy crisis and the oil rich waters extending out from Gaza.

Am Yisrael Chai

Yes, thank you for that insightful input.