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19 Sep 2014, 3:20 am

It's official Scotland won't become independant it seems that most ppl have come to their senses and realised that independence would be no good for Scotland and the UK.



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19 Sep 2014, 3:54 am

Try telling that to the nationalists.


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19 Sep 2014, 4:05 am

Not terribly surprising. People in any sufficient number have a strong tendency to conservative attitudes, and prefer the status quo over change.



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20 Sep 2014, 10:36 am

Despite all the nationalist peer pressure, which I can tell you has been really intense and ugly, in most places you would rarely see any home displaying a No poster. There was a feeling of intimidation against it, and fears that the poll might not take place validly and fairly on the day, but it seems the media coverage of these fears the day before warned them off.

Same as in Quebec, voters found the step harder to take when it cam to the moment of taking it, than they had said to the pollsters, so No won better than the polls had pointed to. There was a fear that there might be an underestimated Yes vote in the polls because Yes propagandised hard to deprived neighbourhoods that lack phone or web access for taking part in polls - but polls are already wieghted demographically for such possibilites and this idea of a hidden Yes vote did not materialise. (NB Yes would not actually have benefitted deprived neighbourhoods, instead we would not have had our own fiscal policy bank security or currency, leaving our economy under control of British governments made more likely to be right wing by us no longer having a vote egainst them, so bringing more Tory government upon both countries. But a lot of lefties deperate for a dream determined to gloss over this abasurdity and cling to believing in the Yes propaganda of having a socialist utopia in our own state.)

Outside the cities they lost all the target places they expected to win, and they won their 2 target cities Dundee and Glasgow but failed to produce a high turnout there. So it was No that had turned out to have the hidden vote. Phew, relief - as the shocking racist narrowness of Yes's plans for citizenship, not an issue focussed on by the more marginalised home population who Yes targetted, was my most morally prior reason for being a No voter.



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20 Sep 2014, 10:39 am

I couldn't listen to the results coverage, had to drink a bottle of Lambrusco Rosso with a comfort-foods supper for the stress, then get the result in an instant in the morning, in bed and able to stay there if it had been the wrong result. Incredible moment when you suddenly get an answer you have been so nervous about and it turns out right.



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22 Sep 2014, 12:10 pm

tern wrote:
I couldn't listen to the results coverage, had to drink a bottle of Lambrusco Rosso with a comfort-foods supper for the stress, then get the result in an instant in the morning, in bed and able to stay there if it had been the wrong result. Incredible moment when you suddenly get an answer you have been so nervous about and it turns out right.


By what measure has it turned out to be right? If anything the yes campaign has been vindicated. Westminster reneged on their false promises of devomax within 24 hours of offering them, and the westminster privatisation is set to run roughshod over Scottish public services. Come back again this time next year and see how great things are, after the rest of the other sixty percent of planned cuts are implemented, including 60 000 scottish nurses now set to lose their jobs.

What is more, the no campaign fought dirty at every opportunity. From presenting the false scaremongering that immigrants would be deported and OAP's would lose their pensions. The BBC's role has been absolutely disgraceful as well, as eloquently shown by Nick Robinson's hatchet job against Alex Salmond. The man should be sacked for professional dereliction.


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22 Sep 2014, 12:21 pm

They have not reneged at all, Brown and Miliband are speaking up to detail driving it through. That there was always going to be a section of the Tories not happy about it does not constitute a reneging, instead it shows why Cameron couldn't offer it properly in 2012, it would have split his party and not gone through, so he had to offer it in the middle of crisis like he did, and use the crisis to hold to ransom the objecters in his party.

2 working days is far too soon to talk of reneging, by doing that Salmond is stirring maliciously and trying to wreck it and to keep the bad feeling going. It's also hypocrisy when the Yes case was full of bogus optimistic predictions made without evidence and sometimes asserting that other parties would do things they had clearly said they would not do - currency union and terms of rejoining the EU.

Whatever cuts happen you will have no evidence would not have also happened under indy, that is just arbitrary wishful thinking. Austerity around our setup costs and loss of home market and costs from currency instability and loss of control over our own interest rates, and the currency absurdity of placing our spending under the power of rUk governments we could no longer vote against, and who for that reason would more likely be Tory - that would have brought these cuts and any cuts you mention and a lot more.



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22 Sep 2014, 3:04 pm

thomas81 wrote:
What is more, the no campaign fought dirty at every opportunity. From presenting the false scaremongering that immigrants would be deported and OAP's would lose their pensions. The BBC's role has been absolutely disgraceful as well, as eloquently shown by Nick Robinson's hatchet job against Alex Salmond. The man should be sacked for professional dereliction.


What just like how the Yes campaign used Glitter but no substance? and let's face it Scottish independence wouldn't have been a sparkling utopia as most big businesses situated in Scotland were going to move to London, we own most of the British section of the North Sea oil reserves, There was no way that Scotland could keep the British pound so they would have to either make their own currency or join the Euro either one would have been costly.