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20 Sep 2014, 6:09 pm

Apparently they don't like it.

France has decided not to refer to IS, ISIL ISIS instead just call them Daesh.

Daesh has threatened to cut the tongues out of those that call them Daesh.

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20 Sep 2014, 7:18 pm

Last week I saw reporters on cable news interviewing Kurdish fighters. The young lady reporter told us that the fighters all refer to their enemy "by the Middle Eastern name, which is Daesh".

Decided that I like that name better. Its easier to say than either ISIS, or ISIL, and its like the real Arabic name.

But apparently ISIS itsself considers the name derogatory for some reason. So that is even MORE reason to like the name.

I assume that DAESH is some kind of acronym of initials - perhaps ISIL in Arabic.



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20 Sep 2014, 8:26 pm

Actually, from what I understand, the actual acronym is DA'ASH (duh-ash) and that is closest we have in English to the Arabic acronym, which is derived from Islamic State's name in Arabic. I call them DA'ASH on my blog. Somebody on another forum posted the group's full Arabic name, which I can't remember, but I can try and dig it up. Isis is a pagan Egyptian goddess, so I can understand them not wanting to be called that, but I don't know what their objection is to being called DA'ASH. Lately US media has been simply calling them IS or Islamic State.



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21 Sep 2014, 3:54 am

Was thinking that too: that you would THINK the name of pre Islamic Pagan goddess would be more offensive to them than something that sounds like the name of a punctuation mark ( what's so bad about a "dash"?).

I googled the word last night. Some blogger said that Daesh IS an acronym that stands for an Arabic phrase that means something like "the Islamic State of Iraq and greater Syria (the 'Levant' in other words)".

He said that the word "Daesh" sounds like a word that means "to be stomped on" in some Arabic dialects.

If that's true then that would explain why ISIL's enemy's like the name- and why they dont like it.



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21 Sep 2014, 4:33 am

I think that Daesh means the acronym will have have less significance in the wider world.

I mean how many people knew straight away that aL-Qaeda meant "The base"?



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21 Sep 2014, 12:27 pm

It's how they are called in Arabic.

داعش


د = Al Dawla (The State)

ا = Al Islamiya (Islamic)

'Fi' = In (not in the acronym)

ع = Al Iraq

Wa = and (not in the acronym)

ش = el Sham (the Levant).


The Islamic state in Iraq and the Levant, Daesh.

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He said that the word "Daesh" sounds like a word that means "to be stomped on" in some Arabic dialects.


Yes, the other word is داعس (Stomped on), the last letter is S instead of Sh.



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21 Sep 2014, 1:41 pm

Not only call em Daesh *douches* but this will also fuel their anger and generate more lulz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m72HeOIjZTk hehe.


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21 Sep 2014, 4:52 pm

AspieOtaku wrote:
Not only call em Daesh *douches* but this will also fuel their anger and generate more lulz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m72HeOIjZTk hehe.


I think this is ignorance. Taunting and provoking your enemy like you are reading script from a Spiderman/Dr. Octopus fistfight narrative. War is not a second string high school football game cheerleading session. These things are serious, and people who indulge in the behavior shown in this video fully deserve any bad consequences of their actions that should arise. Moronic idiots



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21 Sep 2014, 5:45 pm

khaoz wrote:
think this is ignorance. Taunting and provoking your enemy like you are reading script from a Spiderman/Dr. Octopus fistfight narrative. War is not a second string high school football game cheerleading session. These things are serious, and people who indulge in the behavior shown in this video fully deserve any bad consequences of their actions that should arise. Moronic idiots


That is the dumbest thing I have heard recently. Sure that guy is totally immature and unprofessional, but deserves any bad consequences, seriously? Yes becuase Daesh are someone to set an example for :roll:

I think it is important to call them Daesh, becuase they rely on publicity that is their primary weapon, PR is the main thing for these groups. Calling them Daesh outside the middle east give them less legitimacy. Where as calling them what they want to be called, affirms what the want to achieve.



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21 Sep 2014, 6:40 pm

I have no problem calling them Daesh. I have a problem with standing behind a megaphone taunting, antagonizing and provoking.."trolling" the enemy. Begging for an opportunity to spill blood. Idiocy. If you want a fight, shut up and do it. Stop with the interaction unless the interaction is utilizing terminology designed to initiate peaceful dialogue, even if you think peaceful dialogue is beyond impossible.



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24 Sep 2014, 9:14 am

Enemy taunting happens all the time in war the Japanese did it all the time in world war 2 shouting stuff like Bob Hope go to hell etc its kinda psychological warfare to get the enemies to lose their cool so they become easier targets to shoot by snipers and such.


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24 Sep 2014, 10:09 am

It is customary for the French not to use the same word as everyone else; hell they've even got a bunch of people at the French academy who's job it is to invent words rather than allow a word to slip into usage from English. Daesh just sounds like more of the same attitude. So it isn't a case of wanting to annoy ISIS so much as English speakers.


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24 Sep 2014, 10:11 am

Sounds about right.



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24 Sep 2014, 6:53 pm

Daesh is a better term. Calling them the "Islamic State" plays right into their hands by implying that you acknowledge their grandiose and blasphemous claim of being "the Islamic State" .

In English "Daesh" is just a word that sounds like "dash" ( or even like "douche") so its neutral to their grandiose claims. Its easier to say 'Dash" than to say either ISIL, or ISIS. Its an insult to the Egyptian goddess to have her name associated with them. And you dont have to scratch your deciding which thing to say (ISIS, no ISIL).



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25 Sep 2014, 11:45 am

khaoz wrote:
I have no problem calling them Daesh. I have a problem with standing behind a megaphone taunting, antagonizing and provoking.."trolling" the enemy. Begging for an opportunity to spill blood. Idiocy. If you want a fight, shut up and do it. Stop with the interaction unless the interaction is utilizing terminology designed to initiate peaceful dialogue, even if you think peaceful dialogue is beyond impossible.


That isn't really the point, the point is to give them less of an impact, and not to legitimize their cause.

We do their publicity for them, these group are product of the modern era of media (which ironic because they want to back to the dark ages).