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Which do you know?
American English 29%  29%  [ 4 ]
Australian English 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
British English 21%  21%  [ 3 ]
More than one of the above 43%  43%  [ 6 ]
None of the above 7%  7%  [ 1 ]
Total votes : 14

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24 Oct 2014, 12:54 am

Which do you know? I mostly know American English.



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24 Oct 2014, 1:05 am

californian, dood.


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06 Apr 2016, 7:13 am

NY english here, or at least that's what everyone tells me.



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06 Apr 2016, 2:36 pm

I'm getting pretty good at Yorkshire English, after 30 years living here!
I'm not too bad at Scots dialect from having family roots there in my grandparents generation, and reading authors who write in Scots dialect (e.g. Irving Welsh).

I understand most of the common differences between American and British English. Most of the internet, and much of our TV/movie entertainment, is dominated by US content, so that's pretty much unavoidable for most Brits, I think.

From what I have experienced, I think there's as much, if not more, variety within British (or US) dialects as there is between US and British English. For many Brits, travelling between highland Scotland and the West Country would expose us to far more confusing, and tricky to understand, dialects than watching US TV shows!


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06 Apr 2016, 2:46 pm

Trogluddite wrote:
I'm getting pretty good at Yorkshire English, after 30 years living here!
I'm not too bad at Scots dialect from having family roots there in my grandparents generation, and reading authors who write in Scots dialect (e.g. Irving Welsh).

I understand most of the common differences between American and British English. Most of the internet, and much of our TV/movie entertainment, is dominated by US content, so that's pretty much unavoidable for most Brits, I think.

From what I have experienced, I think there's as much, if not more, variety within British (or US) dialects as there is between US and British English. For many Brits, travelling between highland Scotland and the West Country would expose us to far more confusing, and tricky to understand, dialects than watching US TV shows!


Yes, you are correct. There is more variety between dialects and accents in the UK than there is in the United States. English was "invented" in England, and there has been more time for there to be more variation across the various dialects. Besides, there are influences from many other languages from other cultures that have greatly affected some of the dialects there.



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06 Apr 2016, 3:55 pm

^^Yes, it's a subject I've always found fascinating.

One common assumption that Brit's often make is that American spelling is somehow inferior. All that really happened is that in the US the spellings got codified shortly after the English became the dominant colonialists. It's actually us Brits who have carried on changing the spellings because there were so many conflicting ways of writing the same words over here (plus a few prescriptive linguists who wanted English to be more like Latin). A few hundred years ago, literate Brits would have spelled most words just as Americans do now.


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09 Apr 2016, 2:23 am

ever heard of "uncleftish beholding"?

it calques "atomic theory" and is a text about just that. the catch beign that is is written using almost exclusively words of germanic origin. it has coinings with analogues or parallels in modern german.

it goes:


For most of its being, mankind did not know what things are made
of, but could only guess. With the growth of worldken, we began
to learn, and today we have a beholding of stuff and work that
watching bears out, both in the workstead and in daily life.

The underlying kinds of stuff are the *firststuffs*, which link
together in sundry ways to give rise to the rest. Formerly we
knew of ninety-two firststuffs, from waterstuff, the lightest and
barest, to ymirstuff, the heaviest. Now we have made more, such
as aegirstuff and helstuff.

The firststuffs have their being as motes called *unclefts*.
These are mightly small; one seedweight of waterstuff holds a
tale of them like unto two followed by twenty-two naughts. Most
unclefts link together to make what are called *bulkbits*. Thus,
the waterstuff bulkbit bestands of two waterstuff unclefts, the
sourstuff bulkbit of two sourstuff unclefts, and so on. (Some
kinds, such as sunstuff, keep alone; others, such as iron, cling
together in ices when in the fast standing; and there are yet
more yokeways.) When unlike clefts link in a bulkbit, they make
*bindings*. Thus, water is a binding of two waterstuff unclefts
with one sourstuff uncleft, while a bulkbit of one of the
forestuffs making up flesh may have a thousand thousand or more
unclefts of these two firststuffs together with coalstuff and
chokestuff.

At first is was thought that the uncleft was a hard thing that
could be split no further; hence the name. Now we know it is made
up of lesser motes. There is a heavy *kernel* with a forward
bernstonish lading, and around it one or more light motes with
backward ladings. The least uncleft is that of ordinary
waterstuff. Its kernel is a lone forwardladen mote called a
*firstbit*. Outside it is a backwardladen mote called a
*bernstonebit*. The firstbit has a heaviness about 1840-fold that
of the bernstonebit. Early worldken folk thought bernstonebits
swing around the kernel like the earth around the sun, but now we
understand they are more like waves or clouds.

In all other unclefts are found other motes as well, about as
heavy as the firstbit but with no lading, known as *neitherbits*.
We know a kind of waterstuff with one neitherbit in the kernel
along with the firstbit; another kind has two neitherbits. Both
kinds are seldom.

The next greatest firststuff is sunstuff, which has two firstbits
and two bernstonebits. The everyday sort also has two neitherbits
in the kernel. If there are more or less, the uncleft will soon
break asunder. More about this later.

The third firststuff is stonestuff, with three firstbits, three
bernstonebits, and its own share of neitherbits. And so it goes,
on through such everyday stuffs as coalstuff (six firstbits) or
iron (26) to ones more lately found. Ymirstuff (92) was the last
until men began to make some higher still.

It is the bernstonebits that link, and so their tale fastsets how
a firststuff behaves and what kinds of bulkbits it can help make.
The worldken of this behaving, in all its manifold ways, is
called *minglingken*. Minglingers have found that as the
uncleftish tale of the firststuffs (that is, the tale of
firststuffs in their kernels) waxes, after a while they begin to
show ownships not unlike those of others that went before them.
So, for a showdeal, stonestuff (3), glasswortstuff (11),
potashstuff (19), redstuff (37), and bluegraystuff (55) can each
link with only one uncleft of waterstuff, while coalstuff (6),
flintstuff (14), germanstuff (22), tin (50), and lead (82) can
each link with four. This is readily seen when all are set forth
in what is called the *roundaround board of the firststuffs*.

When an uncleft or a bulkbit wins one or more bernstonebits above
its own, it takes on a backward lading. When it loses one or
more, it takes on a forward lading. Such a mote is called a
*farer*, for that the drag between unlike ladings flits it. When
bernstonebits flit by themselves, it may be as a bolt of
lightning, a spark off some faststanding chunk, or the everyday
flow of bernstoneness through wires.

Coming back to the uncleft itself, the heavier it is, the more
neitherbits as well as firstbits in its kernel. Indeed, soon the
tale of neitherbits is the greater. Unclefts with the same tale
of firstbits but unlike tales of neitherbits are called
*samesteads*. Thus, everyday sourstuff has eight neitherbits with
its eight firstbits, but there are also kinds with five, six,
seven, nine, ten, and eleven neitherbits. A samestead is known by
the tale of both kernel motes, so that we have sourstuff-13,
sourstuff-14, and so on, with sourstuff-16 being by far the most
found. Having the same number of bernstonebits, the samesteads of
a firststuff behave almost alike minglingly. They do show some
unlikenesses, outstandingly among the heavier ones, and these can
be worked to sunder samesteads from each other.

Most samesteads of every firststuff are unabiding. Their kernels
break up, each at its own speed. This speed is written as the
*half-life*, which is how long it takes half of any deal of the
samestead thus to shift itself. The doing is known as
*lightrotting*. It may happen fast or slowly, and in any of
sundry ways, offhanging on the makeup of the kernel. A kernel may
spit out two firstbits with two neitherbits, that is, a sunstuff
kernel, thus leaping two steads back in the roundaround board and
four weights back in heaviness. It may give off a bernstonebit
from a neitherbit, which thereby becomes a firstbit and thrusts
the uncleft one stead up in the board while keeping the same
weight. It may give off a *forwardbit*, which is a mote with the
same weight as a bernstonebit but a forward lading, and thereby
spring one stead down in the board while keeping the same weight.
Often, too, a mote is given off with neither lading nor
heaviness, called the *weeneitherbit*. In much lightrotting, a
mote of light with most short wavelength comes out as well.

For although light oftenest behaves as a wave, it can be looked
on as a mote, the *lightbit*. We have already said by the way
that a mote of stuff can behave not only as a chunk, but as a
wave. Down among the unclefts, things do not happen in steady
flowings, but in leaps between bestandings that are forbidden.
The knowledge-hunt of this is called *lump beholding*.

Nor are stuff and work unakin. Rather, they are groundwise the
same, and one can be shifted into the other. The kinship between
them is that work is like unto weight manifolded by the fourside
of the haste of light.

By shooting motes into kernels, worldken folk have shifted
samesteads of one firststuff into samesteads of another. Thus did
they make ymirstuff into aegirstuff and helstuff, and they have
afterward gone beyond these. The heavier firststuffs are all
highly lightrottish and therefore are not found in the
greenworld.

Some of the higher samesteads are *splitly*. That is, when a
neitherbit strikes the kernel of one, as for a showdeal
ymirstuff-235, it bursts into lesser kernels and free
neitherbits; the latter can then split more ymirstuff-235. When
this happens, weight shifts into work. It is not much of the
whole, but nevertheless it is awesome.

With enough strength, lightweight unclefts can be made to
togethermelt. In the sun, through a row of strikings and
lightrottings, four unclefts of waterstuff in this wise become
one of sunstuff. Again some weight is lost as work, and again
this is greatly big when set beside the work gotten from a
minglingish doing such as fire.

Today we wield both kind of uncleftish doings in weapons, and
kernelish splitting gives us heat and bernstoneness. We hope to
do likewise with togethermelting, which would yield an unhemmed
wellspring of work for mankindish goodgain.

Soothly we live in mighty years!


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11 Apr 2016, 7:29 am

Yigeren wrote:
Trogluddite wrote:
I'm getting pretty good at Yorkshire English, after 30 years living here!
I'm not too bad at Scots dialect from having family roots there in my grandparents generation, and reading authors who write in Scots dialect (e.g. Irving Welsh).

I understand most of the common differences between American and British English. Most of the internet, and much of our TV/movie entertainment, is dominated by US content, so that's pretty much unavoidable for most Brits, I think.

From what I have experienced, I think there's as much, if not more, variety within British (or US) dialects as there is between US and British English. For many Brits, travelling between highland Scotland and the West Country would expose us to far more confusing, and tricky to understand, dialects than watching US TV shows!


Yes, you are correct. There is more variety between dialects and accents in the UK than there is in the United States. English was "invented" in England, and there has been more time for there to be more variation across the various dialects. Besides, there are influences from many other languages from other cultures that have greatly affected some of the dialects there.


Wow there's actually more variety in regional spoken accents in the UK then in the US? Thats kinda interesting but makes sense in a way. I know over here you got southern accents(most of them sound the same to me), then you got western accents(cowboys), california, NY, boston(VERY different from NY) and so on and so forth. And here I just thought all the UK sounded the same, but then 1 I don't live there and 2 I watched king of the nerds UK and they all sounded the same to me xD



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13 Apr 2016, 12:06 am

african american vernacular english.

or "ebonics".


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13 Apr 2016, 6:16 am

Kiprobalhato wrote:
african american vernacular english.

or "ebonics".


Funny thing you say that and I actually happen to be black ... I actually don't speak using ebonics but that's neither here nor there.