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| What kind of feminist are you? |
| I'm radical - I want men out of my feminist agenda, I only sleep with womyn and it's NOT funny, you chauvinist pig. |
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7% |
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| I'm liberal - I think it's a women's responsibility to run equally with men. A woman should have it all because now she can. |
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28% |
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| I'm Marxist - I think of gender in terms of socialist metaphor about work and alienation. I've often wondered if I'd stop smothering my children if I gave birth to them one extremity at a time |
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2% |
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| I'm postmodern - Many of my feminist friends are men, Judith Butler bends my mind (and it feels so good) and gender expression is as important as a dust bunny... but if I've acknowledged it, do I acknowledge its ec-static self? |
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21% |
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| I'm not a feminist - It's all so confusing, I don't know where to begin! |
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9% |
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| I hate feminists - they're just ball-busting, man-hating, baby-eating, fire-starting, rabble-rousing loudmouths. Like Rosie O'Donnell. I hate feminists. |
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11% |
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| I don't know if we need feminism... I thought we were beyond all of this. |
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19% |
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crimethinkful
Tufted Titmouse
Joined: Oct 08, 2005
Posts: 27
Location: Saskatchewan, Canada
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 Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 11:52 pm Post subject: Feminism |
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Here's a topic for you...
Are you a feminist, and what does it mean to you? Do you think that feminism needs a face lift, or do you just consider it part of the Western social revolution? Do you think that there is space for disabled women, men and children in feminism?
I'm a feminist. To me that means respect and regard for the safety, equity, dignity and social responsibility for protecting every person from oppression. Patriarchy hurts men, too.
I've seen many resources for physically disabled women and feminism, and some resources on sexuality and disability, but I wonder why no one has covered the topic of ASD and feminism.
PS: The poll is supposed to be humourous... feminism is useless if we can't laugh at where we come from and where we're going. |
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Beenthere
10 Miles South of Sanity
Joined: Dec 30, 2005
Age: 43
Posts: 2229
Location: Pa.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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Wow over 50 views and no replies! Did you ever get the impression that saying feminism is almost like saying a dirty word somedays? Sad.
Yes, you could say that I'm a feminist or that I'm fast becoming one. I believe a woman has a right to her opinions and those opinions shouldn't be squashed or ridiculed because of the fact that she's a woman.
I believe in equality in the workforce and being treated with equal respect at the Dr's office.
I live in an area where guys still come home drunk and slap their wives around in the front yard or scream names at her and most of the time the neighbors run into their houses to hide and wonder "what did "she" do?" to cause it. It makes me sick.
I still think we have a long way to go to achieve equality, and it saddens me because somedays it feels as if we've taken 5 steps backwards instead of forward.
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crimethinkful
Tufted Titmouse
Joined: Oct 08, 2005
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Location: Saskatchewan, Canada
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| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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Hey, thanks for replying!
I agree that the mentality of folks asking themselves what a victim of violence, sexual assault, cruelty or abuse did to deserve it (and I mean men and children, too,) is disgusting and needs to go.
Feminism isn't a dirty word... it's just so misunderstood.
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poopylungstuffing
Have Asperger's not sure if I am diagnosed or not
Joined: Mar 09, 2007
Age: 34
Posts: 6925
Location: Super Happy Fun Land, TX
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| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | To me that means respect and regard for the safety, equity, dignity and social responsibility for protecting every person from oppression. Patriarchy hurts men, too.
I've seen many resources for physically disabled women and feminism, and some resources on sexuality and disability, but I wonder why no one has covered the topic of ASD and feminism |
I believe in all this stuff..but have diffculty calling myself a feminist...it is hard to explain why....
I tried to interract with an exclusionist feminist group once and wound up accidentally offending all of them..and to this day none of them will even speak to me. It was very humiliating and messed me up for several days.
I like females, but frequently rub them the wrong way of get rubbed the wrong way by them..especially if they hold strong feminist ideals...I have a difficult time expressiong myself in general...and have been too often faced with reactionary types who won't even take a moment to try and understand where I am coming from..seeing as I often have a difficult time expressing myself....and generally don't even have a proper grounds for explaining why that is...
I believe in safety equity dignaty and social responsability for everyone....i definitely dont think that any gender is inferior to another...but i have a hard time calling myself a feminist... |
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HelloHello
Toucan
Joined: Jul 06, 2007
Posts: 292
Location: Sydney, Australia
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| Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 3:32 am Post subject: |
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I voted post modern, although it should be post structuralism because that is Judith Bulter's field. Anyhow, the relationship between feminism and women with AS is very interesting, and I was thinking about Butler's theories about gender performitivity and how they seem to reinforce much of female aspies experiences and misdiagnoses and so on..
This is one area academics need to do more research in. Why is it in general, anyhow men are more recognised with serious metal illness then women, when women are always fobbed off as depressive or anxious etc. I guess that's a rhetorical question because the history of psychology reveals all.  |
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crimethinkful
Tufted Titmouse
Joined: Oct 08, 2005
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Location: Saskatchewan, Canada
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| Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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Judith Butler is a poststructuralist theorist and professor of rhetoric (oh, her poor students,) though, in my experience, most postmodern feminists eventually ditch Lyotard and his ilk for Lacan and Butler, because once you plough through the disorganization and navel-gazing of postmodern feminism, and further it with poststructuralist theory, there's really no point in calling yourself anything at all!
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HelloHello
Toucan
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| Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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| crimethinkful wrote: | | Judith Butler is a poststructuralist theorist and professor of rhetoric (oh, her poor students,) though, in my experience, most postmodern feminists eventually ditch Lyotard and his ilk for Lacan and Butler, because once you plough through the disorganization and navel-gazing of postmodern feminism, and further it with poststructuralist theory, there's really no point in calling yourself anything at all! |
Yep, true. |
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ghostgurl
Phoenix
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Age: 24
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Location: Orange County, CA
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| Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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I don't consider myself to be a feminist, but I do think men and women should be seen as equals.
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Jainaday
in uncertain taste
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| Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 4:41 pm Post subject: labels |
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I found the survey, as surveys can sometimes be, rather too limiting.
Once, laying in bed next to a boy, I was having a hard time explaining to him why I didn't consider some events from earlier in my life to be flatly unacceptable.
I had put up with brief domestic violence for the sake of long term family peace, and I had continued to have sex with friends who I had verbally declined because I was uncomfortable stopping them. (I've had a somewhat screwed up background; neither of these are mistakes I would repeat.)
"were you coming at him with a knife?" he asked. "I don't really see how it could be that complicated if you weren't coming at him with a knife." And
"call me old fashioned, but I always thought No means No."
I began to question my own feminism; how could I call myself a feminist when I had not only tolerated but defended these things?
And then he gave me the most salient definition of feminism that I've ever encountered.
"Do you think women should be raped? Do you think they should be beaten, or killed? Do you think women should recieve equal pay for equal work? Do you think they should be left alone to raise children in poverty? Then you're a feminist."
You would think that almost everyone would fall into this category, but strangely, no. It's funny how things creep in around the edges and eat away at these foundational assumptions which, when stated so baldly, scarcely anyone could disagree with.
Of course, the real discussion comes in amongst us feminists when we disagree on what should be done about the fact that women are raped, beaten, murdered, molested, abandoned, and held in economic subjugation. There's a lot of complexity there. . . but our essential values are the same. We all wish women to be valued equally as human beings and treated as such; we simply have different ideas about the best way for this to come about.
Hopefully, in the discourse of sorting these possibilities, we may all come to see ourselves as feminists, and work to bring about the rights of women as we would work to bring about the rights of all human beings. I don't see that this has very much at all to do with the sorts of categories often used to deliniate us. |
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crimethinkful
Tufted Titmouse
Joined: Oct 08, 2005
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Location: Saskatchewan, Canada
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| Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 4:08 pm Post subject: Re: labels |
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| Jainaday wrote: | I found the survey, as surveys can sometimes be, rather too limiting.
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I know, but the survey is meant to be a joke, really. I'm not out to patrol anyone's type of feminism, and I generally find that putting a label on "types" of feminism defeats the purpose. Every feminist is different, which makes many kinds of feminisms, which creates many epistemologies, which creates many courses of action, and the survey was actually created to evoke a reaction like this.
Feminists, like anyone else, have to laugh at themselves. It gives you a look at where you're coming from, and how far there is to go.
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Jainaday
in uncertain taste
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| Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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I know it's supposed to be funny. . . it would be more so if it didn't resemble so closely the way So many people I know seem to view feminism.
But then, I do tend to take everything a little too literally.
lol. . . just a little. . . |
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crimethinkful
Tufted Titmouse
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Location: Saskatchewan, Canada
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Oh, I know... I guess that's why I find it funny. I can laugh at myself and the other feminists I know because, frankly, when you're steeped in feminist academia, people can get on the wildest high horses ever.
We had one girl, from an upper middle-class background, blonde and blue eyed and beautiful, say in class one day, "I sometimes feel that through my guilt as someone white and privileged that I'm being oppressed by my whiteness." She also told an aboriginal friend of mine that she comes from "majority stock" because, according to her, my friend was in reality Asian, and said, "Haven't you heard of the Bering-Strait theory?" thus negating any lack of privilege my friend has because she is non-white.
All of this happened because she was taking herself too seriously, and she went from having her mind open to having her brains all fall out. I love joking about feminism, because it's something that I closely identify with... but not too close, because otherwise I'd be in a heap of trouble.
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0_equals_true
Genuine Charlatan
Joined: Apr 06, 2007
Age: 27
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:39 am Post subject: |
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I'm a man I think feminism has turned into a dirty word and I'm not so sure whether it is worthwhile to try and retrieve it. I would consider myself a humanist.
If you look into the identity politic of the 80's there was a lot of that black feminism, disabled feminist. This 'identity politics' turned out to be very counter productive. It was more divisive than anything else. If you talked of feminism as lesbianism that would be considered a slur but feminist organisations in the 80s wanted women to reject their own sexuality and family and to live in communes. The result was broken homes. They did direct action, rarely justified. They also got obsessed with trying to undo history. Even resorting to calling themselves wombyn or wimin, etc to get the word 'man' out of women. They took their eye of the ball with grass roots problems and became just like their oppressors prejudiced over sex. The fundamental problem with feminism is you never going to speak for all women, so it is misleading.
Lack of equality as a whole is a problem. I also understand the human nature is always there and plays a role in things. This affects both men and women alike. People act on their animal behaviour more than they care to admit. I don’t think it worth trying to change that other than when it harms someone else. And yeh it disturbs me a lot. But I’m coming to terms with it and acknowledging it. I guess odd is a better word human behaviours is pretty odd and fascinating. It is fascinating to see that what we do is so different from what we think we do. |
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Alicorn
Sea Gull
Joined: Oct 02, 2006
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| HelloHello wrote: | | I voted post modern |
I wanted to vote 'post-human' but it wasn't there!
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M02
Snowy Owl
Joined: Dec 04, 2006
Posts: 131
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| Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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People have different views about what feminism is. Feminism should be positive and support respect for women without putting down males or women who do not consider themselves feminist for whatever reason.
Some people argue that if you believe that women should vote and get equal pay then you are a feminist and ignore many other issues that some feminists support that others do not. It also depends on the culture in which a person lives. A feminist in an Arab or African country would not be dealing with the same issues as someone in India or Britain. |
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