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31 Jan 2008, 2:05 pm

Do any people with Asperger's who are Christian have a hard time understanding the life of a Christian, or even what the Bible is trying to say? I have a hard time making friends with agnostics, I try to share the Word of God with them, but it just goes out one ear and out the other. I also have an obsession of not wanting to see them burn in Hell for the way that they reject God. I am saved, however, I am obsessed with my religion. What I try to do is help people, so I was helping a friend of mine who is a strong agnostic and one time online we were talking and he asked me about God, and I gave him a few honest answers and a few name of some websites for him to go to for extra help, and he thought I was converting him. Does anyone over obsess about their religion? Whatever it may be..



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31 Jan 2008, 2:12 pm

You have the right to obsess about your religion but don't have the right to force your beliefs onto others. No one likes to try and be "converted".


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31 Jan 2008, 2:14 pm

Brittany2907 wrote:
You have the right to obsess about your religion but don't have the right to force your beliefs onto others. No one likes to try and be "converted".


It can even be considered offensive.


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31 Jan 2008, 2:25 pm

Its best not to force your religion on others, even if for the best intentions. Its their choice at the end of the day. I see it like this:
If a person is good then they are following the teachings of christ, even if they don't realise it. There are plenty of bad christians out there. My best mate is atheist, but at no time have I ever held it against him



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31 Jan 2008, 2:58 pm

fukai_otaku wrote:
I try to share the Word of God with them, but it just goes out one ear and out the other.

Probably because the "word of God" is complete and utter nonsense. You have the right to believe in it, but please don't pull others into it.
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I also have an obsession of not wanting to see them burn in Hell for the way that they reject God.

Don't worry about it. Hell is a fictional place and God is a fictional character. Your friends are safe.
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I am saved, however, I am obsessed with my religion. What I try to do is help people,

Stop trying to help people through religion. Religion doesn't help anyone. It only makes them blind to the truth. No offense. If you want to help people, look at what their real world problems are and find real world solutions to them instead of trying to push childish fantasies on them.
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so I was helping a friend of mine who is a strong agnostic and one time online we were talking and he asked me about God, and I gave him a few honest answers

Honest answer to any question about God: It's all made up.


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31 Jan 2008, 3:05 pm

I'm an Agnostic and I would like to make the point that being agnostic does not mean you don't believe in god. It means you don't believe in religion.

@Vince - How is your post forcing your beliefs on others any better than religious people doing the same thing. This is why I can't stand some atheists as much as as the super religious. Some atheist are just as aggressive as religious fanatics in push their beliefs on others.



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31 Jan 2008, 3:31 pm

fukai_otaku wrote:
Do any people with Asperger's who are Christian have a hard time understanding the life of a Christian, or even what the Bible is trying to say? I have a hard time making friends with agnostics, I try to share the Word of God with them, but it just goes out one ear and out the other. I also have an obsession of not wanting to see them burn in Hell for the way that they reject God. I am saved, however, I am obsessed with my religion. What I try to do is help people, so I was helping a friend of mine who is a strong agnostic and one time online we were talking and he asked me about God, and I gave him a few honest answers and a few name of some websites for him to go to for extra help, and he thought I was converting him. Does anyone over obsess about their religion? Whatever it may be..


You and I are quite similar, friend :) I'm a Christian too, btw



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31 Jan 2008, 3:31 pm

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I'm an Agnostic and I would like to make the point that being agnostic does not mean you don't believe in god. It means you don't believe in religion.


I'm wondering if I can't be considered Agnostic then too, because I believe in god, but organized religion is a complete bore to me.

And as for you Vince, you are every bit as bad as bible thumpers. Just because you're on the other side doesn't mean that you're any less annoying.


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31 Jan 2008, 3:40 pm

Can't you just be a friend to someone without feeling the need to force your religious beliefs on them? That sort of behavior is a real turn-off. If you feel the need to "save them", pray for them at home or in church but don't try to change your friends.

I think everyone has a right to believe what they believe. I also think everyone has the right to reject what they do not believe.

I'm a Buddhist. I don't find the fact that you are a Christian offensive - but I do find it offensive when Christian people say things like this. I had a friend who considered herself a born-again Christian. Lovely lady in most respects, but her extreme religious views and unwillingness to accept others ultimately put an end to our friendship.



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31 Jan 2008, 3:47 pm

Glencannon wrote:
I'm an Agnostic and I would like to make the point that being agnostic does not mean you don't believe in god. It means you don't believe in religion.

@Vince - How is your post forcing your beliefs on others any better than religious people doing the same thing. This is why I can't stand some atheists as much as as the super religious. Some atheist are just as aggressive as religious fanatics in push their beliefs on others.


Actually, agnostic means you believe that it's impossible to know whether there is a god or not.

I'm not forcing my beliefs on anyone. I'm just stating them. Big difference. I don't judge anyone who believes in stuff that's not true. It's their own business. I do however claim my right to speak openly about my own disbelief. Not trying to change anyone's mind. Simply speaking mine.


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31 Jan 2008, 3:57 pm

That's OK Vince, I believe evolution is utter rubbish, and that Darwin should be dis-interred and buried in a regular graveyard, without honors.


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31 Jan 2008, 4:00 pm

That's for me to keep in the church, and away from WrongPlanet.


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31 Jan 2008, 4:02 pm

I think it's very wrong to try to force religious beliefs on others. If you and a friend strongly differ on the subject then don't bring it up. if you have a strong view and they don't, leave them to bring it up, but let them lead the conversation.

I'm an atheist but have religious friend/associates but only argee the evidence if they get too preachy!



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31 Jan 2008, 4:05 pm

What people here are missing is perspective. A Christian is conditioned to believe that their particular dogma and mythology are Correct and there can be little or no room for disagreement. So, if someone asks them about their religion, they state it as fact.
When non-religious people discuss religion it's usually viewed with a semi-detachment. They talk about religion, god and/or dogma. It's just a wholly different way of discussing the same subject.

So, it's easy to get offended if a nonChristian asks a Christian, "What do you think about Islam?" and that Christian then replies with what they believe. Likewise, a Christian may get offended easily when you simply state that you don't agree or that God is a dumb idea (for example). For a Christian, God is as real as Dad and you better not say anything "sacreligious". For a nonChristian, God is as real as the Colonel Sanders and who cares what you say about him?

So, if you want to have an honest discussion with "non believers", then you must keep in mind that repeating your beliefs as facts can be seen as judgmental, arrogant and intolerant. It also comes across as one-sided if you are presenting your ideas as the Only Truth, the other person will see discussing their own opinions as futile and possibly dangerous.



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31 Jan 2008, 4:07 pm

Vince wrote:
I'm not forcing my beliefs on anyone. I'm just stating them. Big difference. I don't judge anyone who believes in stuff that's not true. It's their own business. I do however claim my right to speak openly about my own disbelief. Not trying to change anyone's mind. Simply speaking mine.


Actually you are kind of judging when you say

Vince wrote:
Probably because the "word of God" is complete and utter nonsense.


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Religion doesn't help anyone. It only makes them blind to the truth.


If not judgemental, at least its offensive to some people these statements.

In any case, he didn't say he pushes religion on others, he said he stated some honest answers to his friend, who in first place asked him about christianity.

I dont know why atheists are as zealot as religious folks about their beliefs. Though I have to admit he indirectly says he pushes his beliefs to others (while trying to save them).



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31 Jan 2008, 4:41 pm

If a friend of mine is standing in the middle of the railroad tracks with a train coming at him head-on, would it be wrong to try and persuade him to get off?