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Ragtime
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 Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 3:34 pm Post subject: Would it be wrong for God to delete people? |
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This is a purely philosophical ethics question, since I don't believe God ever deletes people from existence.
Would it be wrong for a creator god to delete some of those he created?
If you think so, I'd love to read that argument.
But for a microcosm of the same ethic, consider Job: "Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return there: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD." Job 1:21
Job is upset, of course, but his sense of right and wrong rises above his physical torment to judge that God has dealt honorably with him even in allowing him to suffer.
In all this Job sinned not, nor charged God foolishly. Job 1:22
Who among us is as honest?
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Icicle
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| It would be quite an easy justification to make, assuming God makes mistakes. Lets face it, if he does exist, he has. And lots of them. |
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Letum
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Either god makes morality, in which case he chooses if it is good or bad to delete people and can change his mind about it when ever he wants.
Or God does not make morality, in which case god must answer to a higher law, which doesn't make much sense for most definitions of god.
So if there is a god and he answers to no higher morality than him self the answer to the question is:
It's impossible to know! God might change his mind and make it wrong to delete people one moment and not wrong the next. I can't tell what he is thinking right now.
Only the Greek, Roman and other such gods are capable of doing wrong. Monotheistic gods usually get to decide what is right/wrong because they are all-powerful and answer to no higher law. |
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Ragtime
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| Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Icicle wrote: | It would be quite an easy justification to make, assuming God makes mistakes.
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Why would creating someone with the plan to delete them later be a mistake instead of a plan?
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Lets face it, if he does exist, he has. And lots of them. |
Well, we have, for sure, as is natural to our finite morals and mental abilities.
But why would God be limited to finite capabilities -- which is the only arena in which mistakes can exist?
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Ragtime
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| Letum wrote: | Either god makes morality, in which case he chooses if it is good or bad to delete people and can change his mind about it when ever he wants.
Or God does not make morality, in which case god must answer to a higher law, which doesn't make much sense for most definitions of god.
So if there is a god and he answers to no higher morality than him self the answer to the question is:
It's impossible to know! God might change his mind and make it wrong to delete people one moment and not wrong the next. I can't tell what he is thinking right now.
Only the Greek, Roman and other such gods are capable of doing wrong. Monotheistic gods usually get to decide what is right/wrong because they are all-powerful and answer to no higher law. |
Very true. One might well ask "Can God be morally wrong?" As a monotheist, no, my God cannot be morally wrong, for He is above all law.
But He chooses to adhere to His own convenants anyway -- a fact to which innumberable Scripture verses attest.
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Icicle
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| Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Ragtime wrote: | | Icicle wrote: | It would be quite an easy justification to make, assuming God makes mistakes.
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Why would creating someone with the plan to delete them later be a mistake instead of a plan?
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Lets face it, if he does exist, he has. And lots of them. |
Well, we have, for sure, as is natural to our finite morals and mental abilities.
But why would God be limited to finite capabilities -- which is the only arena in which mistakes can exist? |
Because he would then not be omnipotent if he makes mistakes. Though if you are going to effectively insist that God trancends logic, then arguing about him is pointless, you are never going to open your mind and possibly change your views. |
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Ragtime
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| Icicle wrote: | | Ragtime wrote: | | Icicle wrote: | It would be quite an easy justification to make, assuming God makes mistakes.
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Why would creating someone with the plan to delete them later be a mistake instead of a plan?
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Lets face it, if he does exist, he has. And lots of them. |
Well, we have, for sure, as is natural to our finite morals and mental abilities.
But why would God be limited to finite capabilities -- which is the only arena in which mistakes can exist? |
Because he would then not be omnipotent if he makes mistakes.
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 Didn't we just go in a circle?
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Though if you are going to effectively insist that God trancends logic, then arguing about him is pointless, you are never going to open your mind and possibly change your views. |
Um...nope, I'm not asserting that at all.
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Orwell
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| Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:06 pm Post subject: Re: Would it be wrong for God to delete people? |
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| Ragtime wrote: | This is a purely philosophical ethics question, since I don't believe God ever deletes people from existence.
Would it be wrong for a creator god to delete some of those he created? |
Great Flood?
As God gets to define morality, it is not really possible for God to do "wrong."
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Letum
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| Ragtime wrote: | | Letum wrote: | Either god makes morality, in which case he chooses if it is good or bad to delete people and can change his mind about it when ever he wants.
Or God does not make morality, in which case god must answer to a higher law, which doesn't make much sense for most definitions of god.
So if there is a god and he answers to no higher morality than him self the answer to the question is:
It's impossible to know! God might change his mind and make it wrong to delete people one moment and not wrong the next. I can't tell what he is thinking right now.
Only the Greek, Roman and other such gods are capable of doing wrong. Monotheistic gods usually get to decide what is right/wrong because they are all-powerful and answer to no higher law. |
Very true. One might well ask "Can God be morally wrong?" As a monotheist, no, my God cannot be morally wrong, for He is above all law.
But He chooses to adhere to His own convenants anyway -- a fact to which innumberable Scripture verses attest. |
Although he could be changing those covenants by altering the past for all we know.
Anything all powerful is totally unpredictable.
For all we know he made it morally good to kill babies yesterday. Or perhaps he considers it morally good for deity's to lie when they write scripture.
Who knows! |
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Icicle
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| Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Ragtime wrote: | | Icicle wrote: | | Ragtime wrote: | | Icicle wrote: | It would be quite an easy justification to make, assuming God makes mistakes.
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Why would creating someone with the plan to delete them later be a mistake instead of a plan?
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Lets face it, if he does exist, he has. And lots of them. |
Well, we have, for sure, as is natural to our finite morals and mental abilities.
But why would God be limited to finite capabilities -- which is the only arena in which mistakes can exist? |
Because he would then not be omnipotent if he makes mistakes.
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Didn't we just go in a circle?
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Of course, but then with religion a certain side has to orbit a point, to avoid it being made.
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Though if you are going to effectively insist that God trancends logic, then arguing about him is pointless, you are never going to open your mind and possibly change your views. |
Um...nope, I'm not asserting that at all. |
So what are you asserting...? |
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Descartes
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| If the Christian God does exist, then why is it that he hardly ever follows his own rules that he makes us follow? I guess he just doesn't practice what he preaches. |
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DeanFoley
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| Descartes wrote: | | If the Christian God does exist, then why is it that he hardly ever follows his own rules that he makes us follow? I guess he just doesn't practice what he preaches. |
Agreed. If these rules are so important to the extent god(will not capitalise for sake of dignity)will torture us forever if we don't follow them, what makes it okay for him to breach them?
But I suppose that's just another reason why god not existing is the logical option. |
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oscuria
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He can delete people all He wants.
The question is can He delete a Soul?
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oscuria
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| Descartes wrote: | | If the Christian God does exist, then why is it that he hardly ever follows his own rules that he makes us follow? I guess he just doesn't practice what he preaches. |
Because He's God. Have you forgotten that aspect?
Leaders come into power, but how many of them follow their own rules? Subjects are meant to be subjugated, not challenge those in power or question.
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| God deletes people all the time. The cycle of life & death was created by God. The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away. If no one ever died, no one could live. Technically, you begin to die the day you are born. Your days are numbered, but only God knows that number. |
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