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Orwell
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Interesting. Presbies tend to be more accepting as a whole than some other denominations (*cough*Baptists*cough*) but I wasn't expecting my denomination (PCUSA) to change their position on gays anytime soon. As it stands, the new policy is internally inconsistent, and I'm not sure I like that.
As far as the issue of declining membership, the PCUSA congregation I'm part of is the fastest-growing church in our presbytery. Over the past couple years we've had an influx of Ghanaian immigrants into our congregation, so that has fueled growth for us.
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Tim_Tex
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And the Episcopalians and Lutherans have accepted them for a few years.
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The problem I have here is that they still are not recognizing gay marriages, but they are permitting homosexuals to be pastors. There is an inconsistency there, and I would rather they move forward and be more accepting. I suppose this is the best compromise that could be hammered out, and it will probably change again in a few years anyways. This is starting to fit in better with PCUSA'a relatively socially liberal positions.
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Women have been tradiontally denied pastorship in the past, but until recently I don't think the idea of a gay clergyman was even contemplated. If certain demoninations are green-lighting gay marriage but not gay clergy, that is indeed inconsistent. Here's a question for everyone: what would church & society look like if institutional marriage made no distinction between hetero- and homosexual unions?
Another question: Are current marriage prep & counselling programs sufficient?
I wonder how many divorces are the result of marriages that should never have happened. |
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| slowmutant wrote: | | Women have been tradiontally denied pastorship in the past, but until recently I don't think the idea of a gay clergyman was even contemplated. If certain demoninations are green-lighting gay marriage but not gay clergy, that is indeed inconsistent. |
Other way around, they (or rather we, since this is my denomination) are allowing gay clergy but not gay marriage.
| Quote: | | Here's a question for everyone: what would church & society look like if institutional marriage made no distinction between hetero- and homosexual unions? |
Institutional marriage as in government-sanctioned? It probably wouldn't be too horribly different from how it is today, at least not from the perspective of a heterosexual.
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Let us wait until the Roman Catholic Church
learns to accept homosexuality all together.
Having female clergy is a good start.
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| AnonymousAnonymous wrote: | Let us wait until the Roman Catholic Church
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Don't hold your breath, A-A ... could cause long term problems. |
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slowmutant
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The Catholic Church may never completely accept homosexuals.  |
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| slowmutant wrote: | | The Catholic Church may never completely accept homosexuals. |
Well, at least not until *I* become pope. |
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| You're planninng on becoming pope, are you? Good luck becoming a cardinal first. |
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Awesomelyglorious
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| slowmutant wrote: | | You're planninng on becoming pope, are you? Good luck becoming a cardinal first. |
I don't need luck. I gots skill. |
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| In your case, it will take more than skill. Are you currently a bishop? |
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| slowmutant wrote: | | In your case, it will take more than skill. Are you currently a bishop? |
Just biding my time for the right opportunity to leap to power. |
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