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Sora
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 Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:24 am Post subject: How is your intuitive view of people? |
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Do you naturally judge, have an internal picture of the world, generalised idea of how things ought to be?
Or do you naturally take in, have problem to judge, have problems to picture explanations and standard such as morales
If you don't know what I mean, here's an example of what I mean: think of a person you know a little (not too much). Do you have an immediate impression of that person? Ugly, beautiful, nice, friendly. selfish, loony, mainstream, pleasant, annoying, distressing etc.? Would you say you could describe other people well?
I ask, because I can't. I'm a person who can't judge like that.
It's not an internal thing. I seriously have little impression of people when I meet them. Some things so tick me off, of course, smell for example including perfume. (eww, horrible.)
When I meet a person, I usually feel no sympathy. I feel nothing. No dislike, no like, just total blankness. I could converse with a tree and have the same impression. That's why I'm utterly friendly upon meeting most people for the first time. They're all the same in character to me.
If I should tell whether a person is nice or not: I wouldn't know, usually. I have no idea.
I know having this type of internal judgement is normal though. The one I lack, I mean. Attributing certain traits to a person and defining them by this automatically (not intentionally or to be mean, it's just how the mind works).
I don't speak of intentional fairness and trying to be nice to everybody. Yes, almost everybody can try to be free of prejudice...
I mean the initial thought and feeling that peeks up upon meeting someone. Somebody world mean 'Paul is a nice person' but 'Alice is annoying and picky' etc. and act upon this semi-subconscious idea of reality. They'd probably be naturally nice to Paul all the time and easily annoyed by Alice, even if Alice is behaving well.
I'd probably not think anything about Paul and Alice. I'd treat both the same, talk to them in the same way. Even if I'd like Paul better than Alice.
(Because of this, people in real life constantly think they're friends with me...)
I imagine I cannot judge like this, because my understanding of the world is situational based. I can explain a situation, but do not form general rules based on my experience about people. I do not connect situations intuitively.
No general rules. It's all chaotic and unpredictable to me, so to say.
The understanding of (non-autistic?) people seems to be disconnected from a situation. They have generalised rules, idea about the world, morals they stand by. Everybody appears to be the same everyday. They naturally know how to act, because they have general rules they rely on. They think Paul is nice and Alice isn't. Even if Alice starts being very sweet and not-annoying, they'd not notice it right away.
They'd continue to think of Alice as 'annoying'. That's the generalised idea in their mind. They can't perceive real reality.
So I wondered, is it the same for autistic people as for non-autistic people? Or not?
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Ana54
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:27 am Post subject: |
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| I don't look at people often enough, so I don't have as much intuition as I should, even though I still had it sometimes even without really looking at the person. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:42 am Post subject: |
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I'm atypical, PDD-NOS and score very NT'ish on most of the AS quotient tests.
In my case yes, I tend to work more on intuition than anything. Seems like the rules themselves are too choppy anyway to be taken as constants. Knowledge builds intuition and vice a versa, the second I think is just the application of certain types of knowledge or understanding. |
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Ishmael
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:45 am Post subject: |
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| I hate people. Not so much the individual; but the presence of people, so I tend not to pay attention to such things. |
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MrMark
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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I try to make descriptions instead of judgements. Judgements involve valuation. Descriptions help me to remember.
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Norah_W
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, mine must be wrong, because I have Asperger's. Right? Aspies supposedly have no intuition, at least about NT's. And if I think I know, I probably am wrong. |
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| Norah_W wrote: | | Well, mine must be wrong, because I have Asperger's. Right? Aspies supposedly have no intuition, at least about NT's. And if I think I know, I probably am wrong. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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| MrMark wrote: | | I try to make descriptions instead of judgements. Judgements involve valuation. Descriptions help me to remember. |
I would agree with what you've said. There are some people who instantly rub me the wrong way, but rarely am I able to articulate exactly what is 'wrong' with my impression of them.
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northern_light_girl
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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a lot of the so-called judgement is based on many things...experience (past good, bad experiences or fears with people who look/dress/smell/talk/think/act like the new one in front of me), the context of the meeting (is it for work or fun..random short meeting or a possible roommate)?
Then it depends on how you grew up and who you are. You don't make an nstant judgement ..others who grew up differently do just out of habit (or feel a NEED to, like a survival tool to assess another human being).
I don't know..it really depends.. |
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aguales
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:33 am Post subject: |
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That's interesting, Sora. I think I do the same as well. I tend to give everyone the benefit of the doubt because I usually lack the ability to judge what is obvious. I think eventually, I started using a strategy where I would turn a person into an idea, and place him/her in a category of my understanding, but this doesn't really work because a person wants to be known as an individual for the most part, and not as a detachable idea.
Whenever I try to pretend to be NT, I start putting on value systems and schemas like one would put on clothes. Since this is not natural to me, I often come off as a caricature and awkwardly dogmatic.
Sometimes I don't have to judge someone because they're already judging me so intensely that it's like they act like a laser and I can just feel that focused energy. In that case, they've already made their intentions and feelings obvious for me and I need not give them the benefit of the doubt.
Sometimes, I think that so much of my energy is used deflecting other people's value judgements that I just don't have the energy to make judgements of own. |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:42 am Post subject: |
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Hm. This is an interesting question, worth consideration on a clear mind. I'll come back to this one.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:43 am Post subject: |
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| Ishmael wrote: | | I hate people. Not so much the individual; but the presence of people, so I tend not to pay attention to such things. |
You are so honest and candid.
I don't know if I really "hate" people. I just cannot deal with them. I cannot understand how to deal with them and my relation to them.
Trying to figure this out frustrates me and puts me in a bad mood so that I often lecture people on stuff I know they don't want to hear about, "pushing their buttons" they call it.
I don't want to do this. An example is someone who likes country music. What I do is bring up how the twangy drunk sounding accent of male country singers hurts my hearing. I don't stop there, I go on and on about it until the country music lover I am with is really irritated.
This is just one example of what I do when "overloaded". |
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| Never cared for people. I'm always wishing horrble things would happen to the human race. |
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zen_mistress
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:47 am Post subject: |
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I usually get a vibe from them. Sometimes I instantly like someone because they were friendly, or amusing, or seemed nice, though sometimes I have become friends with someone I didnt warm to at first. I dont believe in first impressions, sometimes a person can be in a bad mood, and I can never really make a judgement based on just meeting someone once. Also if someone is a bad person I dont always pick it up.
Also. someone could be nice and friendly at first, but it doesnt necessarily mean I will get along with them.
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I echo another who said something about not hating anybody. I've felt the same, in different instances. I once nearly thrashed a kid in school one day, not because I had a real beef with him, but because he constantly disrespected me, and this day he decided to spit on my backpack. I felt humiliated, and "called out" so to speak, and soon enough had him on the ground, straddled on top, I shook him up a bit (literally shaking him), but could NOT bring myself to hit him. I didn't have it in me, I don't know why. I instead got up and threw his backpack on the roof of the classroom. The emotion I had throughout the entire ordeal was humiliation, not sure what to do!
OK, bit off of the topic. Pardon me guys, I just love boring people with unrelated (or perhaps SLIGHTLY related stories)! 
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