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I'd say both.

Only their support of undocumented foreign nationals. I have no problem with most christians, unless they are the overzealous right wing republican variety. I share a similar distaste for other likeminded organizations such as: NALEO, LULAC, La Raza, and MALDEF to name a few, but generally any group that puts the rights of Latinos (be they citizens or immigrants) above the rights of all other Americans. These are the folks pushing hard for the Mexicanization of America. I believe that the United States enjoys a unique and diverse culture. It is a culture that brings many different people from many different backgrounds together and binds them in a common way. I believe in the motto of the United States "E Pluribus Unum", which means "Out of Many, One." I believe that the English language has played a large role in the unification of Americans for generations. I also believe that it is dangerous to suggest that a multi-lingual society can peacefully coexist. I see the unwillingness of Latinos to assimliate and the political groups, such as those I have listed, which continuously tell them that "they dont need to", as having the potential to bring about the most dire of consequences, in 21rst century America.

Christianity has too much influence on our life, doesn't it?

virtually everything that is currently said about illegal immigrants from latin America was once said about the Irish.

They're poor.
There are too many of them.
They don't speak English.
They have too many children.
They're Catholic.
They're dirty.
They don't understand our culture.
They're violent.
They're criminals.

Except for one other thing - the majority of immigrants from latin America are also brown, which makes it so much worse.

The English changed America forever when they immigrated and took the country from the Native Americans; the Irish changed American culture forever in the process of assimilating; Latin immigrants will also change the country forever. We're American. This is what our country is about. Fear of change only makes us weak.

While you might want to check your facts
on this one, I can see that you have been digging
deep to find similarities between yesterdays and
todays immigrants. I admit there are some..
but there still remain HUGE differences.

I will list a few

The Irish were willing to assimilate. My own mothers maiden name is "Kelly". She likes to tell the story about how her family name used to be "O'Kelly" but they wanted to reflect their willingness to assimilate so badly that they dropped the "O". On my fathers side he had a grandmother who was from Denmark. Not a horrible place to come from Denmark, but she would not speak in her native tongue. My dad used to talk about being a kid and trying to get her to speak Danish but she never would. She was so proud of the fact that she had become an American that she only spoke English, even though it was broken English.

Perhaps this is part of the problem.. todays immigrants are not proud to be Americans. They come here with their hands out only to rape the system. They steal jobs and take full advantage of social programs (schools, free healthcare ect ect ect) all while they pay virtually no taxes and retain their inheirent cultural loyalties to Mexico.

While the Irish were quick to join the civil war and fight for the
North, in order to gain their citizenship, they loved this country and what it stood for enough to make that sacrifice. The same thing cannot be said for the "truckloads" of Mexicans who are signing up to fight in Iraq. They do it only to secure a green card and the promise of one day being able to bring their entire extended familias into America to further rape the system and take full advantage the noble charities that America extends to its poor "American" working families. I dont consider this a patriotic gesture but a blasphemous scam perpetrated by those without the cojones to create the necessary changes in their own country, so they bring their problems to America and lay them upon the doorstep of the already overburdened US taxpayer. If any of the soldiers wearing the patch of the US flag on their shoulder, while risking their butt in a combat zone, do so without a sence of American patriotism or national pride, may they have their butts blown completely off.

My guess is that once these US trained militant Mexicans have concluded their tour on behalf of Uncle Sam, they will join organizations a little closer to their heart, such as MS13 or other drug cartels doing business along the border. When the United States finally has no choice but to militarize the southern border, we will see these guys again and they will have traded in their US patches for solid black or full camo. Only a fool would deny the fact that the border war is already raging. They want our country, they believe it is theirs by right. They want it back and they wont take no for an answer. The tactic is to "saturate and conquer" and it is working. California is gone. Arizona will fall next. The first real battle will be for Colorado. I dont know why they want it so bad, but they are "saturating" the hell out of it. May Americans wake up to this the most serious threat to our nations sovereignty and finally fight back.



Go ahead and call me racist, it doesnt work on me, I dont care. The race card is only played in this country to gain advantage or leverage where none exists. If maintaining a national identity and preserving the principles this proud nation was founded on can be so easily misconstrued as "racist".. so be it.

And another thing. Mexico may not be as racially diverse as the United States but it is diverse to a certain extent. When I speak on the topic of "Mexicans" I am refering to "all" Mexicans (the citizens of Mexico) not just the "brown" ones. Why is it that normally the people who throw the race card around like political confetti usually lack a fundamental understanding the term "racism"? It isnt my fault that the word "Mexican" is typically used to denote those of, as you so eloquently put it, "brown" ancestry. Say for instance I had written all of this about Canadians, would you still consider it to be racist? Didnt think so.



Americans who change the way they live by
accommodating those who do not share the same
values or nationalism, out of a fear of being labeled
racist, not only make us weak, but will ultimately bring
about the ruin of our culture and country. It is time to
either get together on the same page or it is time
to start ripping pages out.

As it stands now, the melting pot runneth over..
and the stain on the table cloth is mexican

Maybe you've put a little too much faith in Jack Chick, to the point of blind belief. Man, is this ironic.

Nah, every word he writes is inspired.

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0074/0074_01.asp
(catholics worship cookies)

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0003/0003_01.asp
(Your non-Christian buddies are actually demons in disguise)

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1038/1038_01.asp
(dinosaurs and man coexisted, but dinosaurs ended up being overhunted by man)

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0025/0025_01.asp
(AIDS is the disease of people who do bad things, but fortunately they can be saved)

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0034/0034_01.asp
(the devil also started rock, including Christian rock, and AIDS is still the disease of sin, and non-Christians are still demons if not the devil)

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0046/0046_01.asp
(DND is just a demonic tool)

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0045/0045_01.asp
(Bewitched was a tool of the devil, the devil is coordinating the world on a massive scale but a grandmother is what constitutes an emergency)

And I am certain that there is much more.

Inspired by whom? God?

I highly highly doubt it.


BTW your claims are patently absurd.

Baraks last name used to be O'bama - he demonstrated a willingness to assimilate by dropping the hyphen.

Of course!!


Right.... sure.... just because you cannot recognize a prophet when you see it, don't attack me.

Can you disprove any of my claims? I think not!! They are airtight using flawless logic.

Let me just see you doubt when the future Jack Chick sees finally happens!

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0094/0094_01.asp

Xenophobia.


Xenophobic nationalists.


I see some irony in this.

Why not? if he honestly believes what he writes.

Ever heard of 'Gaelic'? Sure, many of them did speak English - but so do many Latin American immigrants. And they speak with such funny accents! We Americans should never have to listen to anything but mid-western drawls.

Oh, and I forgot to add:
they're drunks
and
they like to fight.
and
they join street gangs.



So are the Latin Americans, and to about the same degree. The problem is that 'assimilation' involves changes to the extant culture as well as changes to the incoming one. Huge portions of the U.S. population now has at least some Irish blood, and a lot of our traditions are Irish as well. Corned beef and cabbage on St.Patrick's day. Four-leaf clovers being lucky. Catholicism. Tammany Hall. Police families. Uilean pipers at police funerals. Celtic music. Lots and lots of potatoes.

They also maintained ties to the homeland; my own grandfather used to donate money to the IRA during the troubles, and it's not unusual to see shirts or buttons that read, 'kiss me, I'm Irish,' or 'proud to be Irish.'



As likely, it got removed in immigration without their permission. There are a lot of stories from immigrants with 'unpronouncable' names who had their names changed by anglophiles in immigration, or by the men who signed them up for work gangs, or by the doctors who filled out their birth certificates, etc.



A lot of today's Americans are not proud to be Americans.



Great good gods, there's so much ignorance in that statement that it's hard to know where to start. Obviously you've never known very many latin American immigrants, illegal or otherwise.

They don't come here 'with their hands out,' they come here to work. They come here to work because the jobs in the countries that they came from pay s**t, or because there's some rutheless, CIA-installed right-wing dictator making life miserable back home (thankfully the latter is less of an issue now that the dictators are getting old and the governments are turning over). They send their kids to school, if they have their kids with them, because they want their kids to have better opportunities than they did (guess what language those kids learn to speak when they go to school, by the way...) They use the hospital less than born citizens, and with less of a sense of entitlement - I know, because I work in a hospital ED. Illegal immigrants come in to the ED when they're either too sick to go to work the next day, or when they're about to have a baby. Born citizens come into the ED when their feet hurt. Or when their nether regions itch. Or when they get a cold in the winter. Those citizens, by the way, are often not able to pay for their own health care. As long as an Illegal immigrant is on the books as an employee, he or she is paying taxes. Most illegal immigrants are employed officially on the books, usually with made-up SSNs. The employer withholds the taxes from each paycheck - as you would know if you've ever held down a job. 'Paying taxes' at the end of the year is about making sure that the right amount has been withheld.



LOL
Yeah, you clearly know ALL the motives of ANY soldier who's RISKING HIS LIFE in Iraq for this country, because you've spoken personally to so many illegal immigrants... btw, who are you quoting with that 'truckloads' comment? Rush Limbaugh? Bill O'Reilly? (I guess Bill O'Reilly's family wasn't as patriotic as your own Irish ancestors... shame, shame).

Not to mention that many Irish fought for the south and staunchly defended slavery, as well.



Ok, they're too cowardly to start a civil war in their own country, so they flee to America, join the army, and go to Iraq to get blown up over there instead.... yeah. That makes a lot of sense. 'Cause, you know, it's so much nicer to be killed in Iraq than to be killed in Chiapas.



Yeah, too bad we're spending BILLIONS of dollars on a war that never needed to be started... Oh, wait. That wasn't your point, was it.



If you get your wish, you'll be responsible for killing a lot more born-American troops than the Iraqi insurgency could hope for. Blind patriotism is not necessary to be a good soldier, you fool. A lot of the soldiers over there don't like being over there; they don't like fighting over oil; they don't necessarily agree with the reasons given for the war. A lot of them are not 'proud' to be there. They're there because their friends and brothers-in-arms are there, and because they hoped to get training for some sort of career, or money for college, or just some sort of paying job other than flipping burgers in a former factory town whose jobs have been shipped to China. You remind me of the people who claim that a man without a flag pin on his lapel must not be 'patriotic,' as though patriotism consisted of words an clothing rather than deeds.



Yeah, because the U.S. Army employs criminals and wannabe criminals, and these guys are soooo bad that neither the brotherhood of getting shot at along with a bunch of other young American men, nor the training, nor the citizenship that hey have fought for mean anything to them. They're just big, mean, inhuman criminal machines. Yeah.

Christ, I'd love to drop you into the middle of an Army base with a unit just back from Iraq on leave, with your mouth running at full blast.



Yeah, because there are so many suicide bombs, and IEDs, and thousands of civilians and hundreds of border-patrol agents being killed every year on the border... Oh, wait. None of that is happening.

We did take rather large chunks of it by force, and by treaties which we later failed to honor completely.



Just like it did with the Irish.



Oh, that's why I disagree with you! As a native Californiana, I'm already subverted. I'd better learn to speak Spanish. Viva la Raza!



I don't have to call you anything; you speak quite plainly yourself, thank you.



yeah, because, you know, racism just doesn't exist any more...



...refusing to allow in people who will change the demographics to a white minority...



Yeah, because so many rich Criollos are wading the Rio Grande to get into the U.S. along with their Mestizo and Nativo countrymen...
besides which, I guess you didn't notice the word "majority." That means, "most, but not all."



Hmmm. Population of Canada = diverse but the vast majority are white.
Population of Mexico = diverse but the vast majority are brown.

go figure.



Hoookaaay....
We're all full. Take that plaque off of the Statue of Liberty, you know, the "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses," one. Close the borders. No new culture in or out, 'cause, you know, we're already the best, forever and ever. Change can only be bad. Sure, our economy will collapse even worse than it already has, but at least we'll be pure!

You know, I love an argument where all I have to do is keep the other side talking in order to win.

Is there a competition?

I'm Catholic & in opinion, it is both.

If an illegal immigrant goes to a church,
it is a sanctuary, no police or federal presence
can interfere with the presense of God.

Since the Catholic Church favors illegal immigration,
does not mean all Catholics support it.