olle Snowy Owl
Joined: Mar 03, 2008 Posts: 157

Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 10:06 am Post subject: Questions about the IQ test FRT, Figure Reasoning Test 


Today I took an IQ test called FRT, administered by Mensa Sweden. The test had 45 questions and I had 20 minutes. I could do 38 before the time was out, and I think I solved, if not very, almost every, of those 38 problems. So I figure my score is pretty close to 38 of 45.
My estimated IQ will be sent by mail within 6 weeks, so I thought I'd try estimate something on my own. Does anyone know anything about the FRT test and how the raw score translates to IQ? Please? Pleeeaase? 

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cj26 Emu Egg
Joined: Nov 23, 2008 Posts: 1

Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 8:20 pm Post subject: 


If you scored 38 correct out of 45, then you have a score that is (38/45)x100 = 84,4% corrrect. As you say the test was from Mensa I have looked up that they use a stabdard deviation of 15 when calculating their IQ scores. Computing this your IQ would be aroound 116. And as you have not been able to work this out by yourself, I think it's fairly safe to assume that you have NOT answered all 38 correct. So infact your actual IQ would be significantly lower  most likely closer to 100. Which is average and not bad. 

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mumiland Butterfly
Joined: Sep 16, 2008 Posts: 15

Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 11:59 pm Post subject: 


cj26 wrote:  If you scored 38 correct out of 45, then you have a score that is (38/45)x100 = 84,4% corrrect. As you say the test was from Mensa I have looked up that they use a stabdard deviation of 15 when calculating their IQ scores. Computing this your IQ would be aroound 116. And as you have not been able to work this out by yourself, I think it's fairly safe to assume that you have NOT answered all 38 correct. So infact your actual IQ would be significantly lower  most likely closer to 100. Which is average and not bad. 
What you have stated right here is 100% wrong. FRT is a test that is not age corrected. The amount of answers does not 'give' IQ score in such a way that you mentioned. Mensa does not use only sd 15. Mensa uses sd variably and according to the test used. So, Mensa says that IQ score is useless, unless you mention the test you took. FRT used sd=15, but RAPM II through which I qualified a few years ago, uses sd=24. RAPM is age corrected, unlike FRT. Not many National Mensa groups use it since it has changed to the above [FRT] since 2006 [it was applied my country]. Please read a few things regarding IQ before submitting a[ny] answer or estimation. 

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LostInSpace The Librarian
Joined: Apr 17, 2007 Age: 29 Posts: 2873 Location: Dixie

Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 1:00 am Post subject: 


cj26 wrote:  If you scored 38 correct out of 45, then you have a score that is (38/45)x100 = 84,4% corrrect. As you say the test was from Mensa I have looked up that they use a stabdard deviation of 15 when calculating their IQ scores. Computing this your IQ would be aroound 116. And as you have not been able to work this out by yourself, I think it's fairly safe to assume that you have NOT answered all 38 correct. So infact your actual IQ would be significantly lower  most likely closer to 100. Which is average and not bad. 
Um, that's not how standard deviations work. Getting 84% correct is not the same thing as being in the 84th percentile. Without knowing the mean and standard deviations of the raw scores, you can't work out how raw scores translate into standardized scores. For all you know, only 5% of the population gets 38 or above correct. _________________ Not all those who wander are lost... but I generally am. 

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mumiland Butterfly
Joined: Sep 16, 2008 Posts: 15

Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 12:05 pm Post subject: 


LostInSpace wrote:  cj26 wrote:  If you scored 38 correct out of 45, then you have a score that is (38/45)x100 = 84,4% corrrect. As you say the test was from Mensa I have looked up that they use a stabdard deviation of 15 when calculating their IQ scores. Computing this your IQ would be aroound 116. And as you have not been able to work this out by yourself, I think it's fairly safe to assume that you have NOT answered all 38 correct. So infact your actual IQ would be significantly lower  most likely closer to 100. Which is average and not bad. 
Um, that's not how standard deviations work. Getting 84% correct is not the same thing as being in the 84th percentile. Without knowing the mean and standard deviations of the raw scores, you can't work out how raw scores translate into standardized scores. For all you know, only 5% of the population gets 38 or above correct. 
You are right 100%!!! 

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bphenix Emu Egg
Joined: Nov 27, 2009 Posts: 1

Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 11:48 am Post subject: Actual theory around Mensa IQ tests. 


mumiland wrote:  LostInSpace wrote:  cj26 wrote:  If you scored 38 correct out of 45, then you have a score that is (38/45)x100 = 84,4% corrrect. As you say the test was from Mensa I have looked up that they use a stabdard deviation of 15 when calculating their IQ scores. Computing this your IQ would be aroound 116. And as you have not been able to work this out by yourself, I think it's fairly safe to assume that you have NOT answered all 38 correct. So infact your actual IQ would be significantly lower  most likely closer to 100. Which is average and not bad. 
Um, that's not how standard deviations work. Getting 84% correct is not the same thing as being in the 84th percentile. Without knowing the mean and standard deviations of the raw scores, you can't work out how raw scores translate into standardized scores. For all you know, only 5% of the population gets 38 or above correct. 
You are right 100%!!! 
All answers available on Mensa Luxembourg National Supervisory Psychologist web site.
Search "isabelle delhaye mensa qi tests" on Google (I'm not allowed to post a link on this forum) 

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0_equals_true Genuine Charlatan
Joined: Apr 06, 2007 Age: 31 Posts: 8046 Location: London

Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 12:43 pm Post subject: 


Who gives a sh** about Mensa approved tests?
IQ testing is often a biproduct of other test, and it was never set up for brain proud individuals. It is not very good in that respect. It was designed to find relative deficiencies and is not a measure of intelligence. _________________ Nobody's mom 

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mumiland Butterfly
Joined: Sep 16, 2008 Posts: 15

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 8:18 am Post subject: 


TOS regarding the above message?
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mumiland Butterfly
Joined: Sep 16, 2008 Posts: 15

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 8:20 am Post subject: 


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pandd Phoenix
Joined: Jul 16, 2006 Posts: 2582

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:51 am Post subject: 


mumiland, have you read the TOS of WP? 

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mumiland Butterfly
Joined: Sep 16, 2008 Posts: 15

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:23 am Post subject: 


pandd wrote:  mumiland, have you read the TOS of WP? 
Have you? What is TOS saying about the above quote regarding tests? 

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mumiland Butterfly
Joined: Sep 16, 2008 Posts: 15

Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 5:46 am Post subject: 


0_equals_true wrote:  Who gives a sh** about Mensa approved tests?
IQ testing is often a biproduct of other test, and it was never set up for brain proud individuals. It is not very good in that respect. It was designed to find relative deficiencies and is not a measure of intelligence. 
Have you read the TOS of WP? 

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nita_chan Emu Egg
Joined: Jun 05, 2010 Posts: 1

Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 11:50 am Post subject: 


2 days later, i must present the figure reasoning test, i wanna ask you, what is the figure reasoning test ?
what is the background of this test ?
what is the function of this test ?
how about the administration of this test ? 

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DandelionFireworks Just a weed
Joined: May 17, 2010 Posts: 2011

Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 12:09 pm Post subject: 


IIRC (and I may be wrong about this), this test measures something other than mathematical ability, so I wouldn't assume that someone who can't work out certain complicated equations (especially if said someone doesn't know how the test is scored to begin with, hence not knowing what equations to work out anyway and, as was said, we would need to know the mean and standard deviation) couldn't have gotten 38/45 (an arbitrary number given that we don't know how hard the test was) correct.
...I suppose I could go into Aspie Research Mode and find your answer if you want, but you'll get your score eventually anyway. _________________ I'm using a nonverbal right now. I wish you could see it. dyingofpoetry
NOT A DOCTOR 

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Kiley Phoenix
Joined: Apr 27, 2010 Age: 50 Posts: 879

Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 12:15 pm Post subject: Re: Questions about the IQ test FRT, Figure Reasoning Test 


olle wrote:  Today I took an IQ test called FRT, administered by Mensa Sweden. The test had 45 questions and I had 20 minutes. I could do 38 before the time was out, and I think I solved, if not very, almost every, of those 38 problems. So I figure my score is pretty close to 38 of 45.
My estimated IQ will be sent by mail within 6 weeks, so I thought I'd try estimate something on my own. Does anyone know anything about the FRT test and how the raw score translates to IQ? Please? Pleeeaase? 
I'd google it. It sounds interesting. I'd love to find another kind of IQ test for my little guy to take. He comes out OK on a standard IQ, but is prodigious (top one percent of the top one percent) on other kinds of tests. That's not unusual for a divergent thinker, but that's not exactly how he is either. He's already a member of MENSA, and he's great how he is, I'm just really curious about how his unusual mind works. He's 9. 

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