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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:34 am    Post subject: The pronunciation of Aspergers Reply with quote

As we all know Asperger syndrome is named after Austrian pediatrician Hans Asperger which gives it a certain pronunciation and does anybody ever feel that we should pronounce it differently in certain countries,

Because of the pronunciation many people end up taking fun out of the pronunciation it didnt bother me until a few days ago when i was in college and we was discussing different conditions etc and they put a blue book on the table with a list of them all and the first one in the book was Aspergers and one girl asked the tutor whats that and one tutor shouted abit like a burger but with arse i was so offended by that point,

What do you lot think about the pronunciation ?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since Hans Asperger was an Austrian person, the pronunciation should be in (lower) German.

So not like hamburger.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i've started pronouncing it as 'au-spur-jurs'
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've always pronounced it with a soft 'g' (='j'), since I knew Asperger was Austrian and they do that. But I've always wondered if it should be an English 'j' ('dg') or a French 'j' (Western 'zh', Chinese 'z'). I've gone back and forth on that one.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tried to look up to see if Austrians do pronounce their G's different than the Germans, and I couldn't find anything to that effect. In fact the one site that does discuss differences here: http://austria-travel.suite101.com/article.cfm/high_german_vs_austrian_german

Only reference to using a G here: "One obvious difference is the Austrian use of "Gruess Gott" (pronounced "groose got") instead of "Guten Tag" or "Hallo." In Bavaria, Germany, "Gruess Gott" is also used often . If someone greets you with "Gruess Gott," rather than "Guten Tag," they are most likely from Austria or southern Germany."

It doesn't mention pronouncing the G with a J sound at all.

It's not the G that's different between "berger" and "burger". It's the vowel sound. Because in English we substitute a "schwa" for most unaccented vowels, they usually come out like "uh" like in Ornament (or-nuh-ment) or Holiday (hol-uh-day).

So instead of As-puhr-guhrs like we lazy English-speakers say it, it would be more like As-pair-gairs (like how we say air or bear).
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I now pronounce it "ɑːs-pɛr-gər" (approx. 'us-PAIR-ger'), with a hard 'g'. In Dutch, I find I often pronounce it with a scraping 'g' sound (like the 'ch' in Scottish 'Loch').

I thought the name was funny when I heard it for the first time, because it's similar to the Dutch word 'asperge' which means 'asparagus'. (asparagus is 'Spargel' in German) That's enough randomness outta me for one day.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CyclopsSummers wrote:
I now pronounce it "ɑːs-pɛr-gər" (approx. 'us-PAIR-ger'), with a hard 'g'.


Correct.

That's the German and Austrian pronunciation.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mage wrote:

So instead of As-puhr-guhrs like we lazy English-speakers say it, it would be more like As-pair-gairs (like how we say air or bear).


If it's supposed to be pronounced like the Austrians would say Asperger, then yes, I believe it would be As-pair-gair.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I'll go along with Alex and pronounce Asperger's as 'au-spur-jurs'
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Disclaimer: I know absolutely no German (or Austrian), except for being able to count to ten, which doesn't count. Oh, and saying "Nein spreichen zie Deutsch" which doesn't count either. I do know how to pronounce Deutsch, though, having gone on a student exchange with some German students once.

So, how do you pronounce Reich? I was reading The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich and was pronouncing it Reikh. An Austrian man told me it was really pronounced Reish. My parents said: that's Austrian. In Germany it's Reikh.

So, when my doctor said Asperger was Asperjer, I believed her.

And, no offence intended, do Germans always know about Austria? The English get an awful lot wrong about Scotland, so I'm always a bit skeptical. Or is this one really obvious?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i remember one time in my school when it was anounced by one of the students another had aspergers when he told him quietly (i find this very rude and offensive, even though it wasn't me. it was a close friend of mine but still. why in gods name would you do that? no common sense. geesh. NTs ^^). anywho. when it was discussed i overheard one of the females asking the following: "isn't the a vegitable?". she was then told that she was thinking of asparagus. nimwhit. that ticked me off. but anywho. i pronounce it "as-perge-ers" however my mom and dad pronounce it "as-burgers/purgers". a bit like what your teacher said... so yeah... theres my two cence on it Smile. i think thats what the phrase is used for... meh. ^^.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

During my first year of German in college, our TA was Austrian, and she pronounced "g" in this position the same way the Germans did, like the "g" in "good." The only difference I noticed for "g" was that she didn't devoice her stops at the ends of the words (e.g. "Weg" was pronounced "veeg" and not "vehk"), which does not apply to this situation anyway.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

People keep trying to correct me and say its assburgers, tough, I say Asperjers like I would say Brooj and not Broogger.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I pronounce it azburgers. With a z sound on the s. Though I usually just say AS to avoid stupid people yelling out "WHAT'S ASS BURGERS?!"
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I emphasize the p because the "ass burgers" joke is reealy old now.

Edit: ^ Yeah.
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