Waking Theta Brainwave states

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from previous thread...

What's your take on the binaural entrainment CDs that claim to lead the brain to a particular frequency?

I wrote this almost 10 years ago.
Obviously i have evolved since then, but this makes a continued discussion easier.

General
1.Psychology is the study of the human mind. Most specifically the psyche, most generally All of human behavior.
2. The human Brain is composed of between 40 and 70 different organs, depending upon
how you define differences. These are called brodmanns brain areas. Each brain area
is responsible for specific types of brain processes and mental functions.
3. The human mind has four main operational conditions, they are beta brainwave states, alpha brainwave states, delta brainwave states, and theta brainwave states. Each of these might be further subdivided into waking or sleeping states of consciousness.
4. Beta brainwave states are those in which the dominant area of the brain is the frontal lobes. Alpha brainwave states are those in which the dominant area of the brain is the Mammalian brain or Occipital lobes, and Delta brainwaves states are those where the brain is dominated by the Reptilian Brain or brain stem. Theta brain wave states are
a second waking condition in which the body is healed, or, in which the normal flow of
dominance from top of brain to bottom of brain is reversed, and the bottom of the brain
loads information into the top, which is then experienced as dreams.
5. We have instincts which compel us to seek out gratification of our needs. All behavior is motivated by a conscious or unconscious belief that said behavior will get some need met.
6. Psychology involves first an instinct, which compels a thought process, and then a planning or strategizing session in which the individual uses their maps of reality and belief systems as well as learned knowledge and social conditioning to arrive at an end
product of doing something to get what you want. Schema are maps of reality which we
use as tools to meet our needs .Social Conditioning and personal experience and learning
play vital roles in helping the mind to think up tactics to meet needs.
7. Criminal behavior is behavior which that person believes will get their needs met. Punishment was well demonstrated to have little or no effect on learning curve. What is required for a person to change their behavior is a functional tactic that does work to get their needs met.
8. Groupthink is a social phenomenon of psychology where a group uses false
consensus process to end up behaving stupidly as a group. Groupthink occurs when
people cave into social pressures, where propaganda replaces knowledge or facts, and where group identity is created out of participation in group delusions, lies, codependency, or criminality. Groupthink is how a mob drifts to the lowest common denominator, and why a mob is potentially vicious, evil, and sociopathic. Group
authority ameliorates and dissolves personal conscience, and by having their emotions
manipulated and their social identity threatened, people give up their own better judgment and accept the judgment of the most psychopathic member of the group.
9. Pack Psychology is the psychology exhibited primarily by mammals in small groups
in which 3 primary roles are assumed by social participants. The roles are Alpha- the leader, Beta- the followers, and Delta- the orbiters. In human society that translates in a super-simplified way into bullies, cliques, and nerds.
10. Problem solving psychology must contend against groupthink and pack psychology in the arena of opinion. Problem solving psychology is emotionally neutral and uses the mind and logic to look at all aspects of a problem and try to come up with a viable problem solving process. Problem solving psychology is the worst enemy of both
Rightist and Leftist Dogmatists. True problem solving psychology comes from the place of the radical middle. It takes in all sides and all viewpoints, and it gives each its fair dues
And attention in creating a problem solving process that works from the big picture down through into the nano details.


Psychology;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychology
http://psychology.about.com/
http://www.psychology.org/
http://psychology.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1E1-psychlgy.html
http://www.socialpsychology.org/

Brodmanns brain areas and etc;
http://www.umich.edu/~cogneuro/jpg/Brodmann.html
http://spot.colorado.edu/~dubin/talks/b ... dmann.html
http://www.whale.to/b/brain.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brodmann_area
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_re ... uman_brain
http://thebrain.mcgill.ca/flash/capsule ... une05.html
http://www.csuchico.edu/~pmccaff/syllab ... unit4.html
http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/qa2.html

brainwaves;
http://www.brainwaves.com/brain.html
http://pages.prodigy.net/unohu/brainwaves.htm
http://brain.web-us.com/brainwavesfunction.htm
http://www.crossroadsinstitute.org/eeg.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainwaves

This is even older, and i'm almost embarased to post it- but again its easier than rewriting the same stuff.
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Energy Education.

We are accustomed to perceiving the world as matter. As Einstein pointed out, E=mc Squared.
We actually live in a universe of pure energy. Matter is only an illusion, one supported by the natural perspective of our bodies, and the socialization process we have all of us been subjected to.
The cure for this lack of vision is to learn about the essential anatomy of our own energy bodies and to learn to perceive through our energetic senses. This is what energy education is all about.
As we come to terms with the reality models of the energetic universe, we learn that it is possible to effect reality on a different level, from the energetic level, just as we already know how to effect reality from the physical level.

The Anatomy of consciousness; Chakras.
A Chakra is one of seven main energy centers in the Aural body. (or, one of thousands of lesser known smaller centers.) Most discussions begin at descriptions of various Chakras relative to each other. I won’t try to compete with those works because they do it better and because I haven’t the space, time, or inclination. My favorite Chakra Book is “Wheels of Light.”.
My own experience of Chakras is that they are holomorphic emitters, creating physical reality, and that they are each a field of consciousness. The whole Tao of consciousness thing, with the boundary quite specifically defined. The boundary between the extercosmos and the innercosmos is the Chakra.
Consciousness creates space and time, which gives rise to energy, which in turn crystallizes into matter. A Chakra is the place where there is a gateway between consciousness and space/time. As a holomorphic emitter, the Chakras project energy almost as per the model of the qabalah tree, if the Chakra is kether and the persons physical body is malkuth, with the D.N.A. matrix being yesod. The supernal triangle is consciousness, the sepheroth below are energy, and malkuth is matter.
As a holomorphic emitter that creates the holomorph of reality, specifically of the body and non-specifically and in tandem with other holomorphic emitters, all of physical reality. The thing to do is to learn to bring the activity of the emitter into direct concious perception, and then, slowly, into complete concious control. Thus, the body becomes the projection of the spirit/soul, rather than just the vehicle of it. In theory, mortality could be defeated in this way, as could all manner of disease, ailment, disfigurement, and so forth.
I have even speculated that the whole idea of werewolves, skinwalkers, vampires, etcetera could be explained in this way, and practically no other. By learning to create reality spontaneously at the source, where energy is still just a pattern, one can even defeat the laws of conservation of matter and energy.
Our goal is simply to access the chakra as a holomorphic emitter in order to attain good health, stamina, strength, focus, and immunity from physical harm. Later, we may wish to learn to access the chakras to effect the nature of reality.

A Chakra is a field of consciousness, a conduit and transformer for different kinds of consciousness. They are connected by conduits, chief amongst which are known as Shushumni, Ida, and Pingala. These three conduits link the major seven Chakras. Shushumni through the middle, and Ida and Pingala creating a helix pattern around.
Within each Chakra are the flowpaths of these conduits, as well as others. Sixth Chakra, for instance, has conduits for each of the five physical senses, one for electromagnetic sense, (centered from the belly.) and one for a subtler energy field sense centered around the occipital sub chakra and the temples.. Thus, Sixth Chakra has three energetic flowpaths, and at least seven sensory flowpaths that I am aware of. The sensory flowpaths connect inside the chakra to what might be called “the watcher within” or a single unifying model of reality. This is the projected through the lens of perception, and then the lens of attention. The lens of perception is created by our reality models about what can be, and is modified by an important piece of apparatus, which we will discuss later, called the “assemblage point”.
The lens of attention is created by what we are both consciously and unconsciously focusing our attention on. There is only a limited amount of attention in the psyche. (some people have more, some less, and it can be developed.) The normal conscious mind has about 1/100th the attention of the normal Subconscious mind. (Hey rocky, watch me pull a random statistic out of my hat. I don’t know, all I am saying is that the subconscious mind has a lot more attention than the conscious mind.) Yet still, between them both, they cannot hope to pay attention to all that the senses can perceive.
Once the lens of attention is passed, the sensory information is projected into what might be called “the inner stage”. This is where the Conscious mind actually gets to get a hold of the data.
The inner stage is also effected by the subconscious mind, which can project anything there that it wishes to at any time. (but it is particularly empowered to do so during REM sleep and halucinations.)
Next, We move inward to first the conscious mind, then the unconscious mind, then the soul. Finally, we pass through the soul into the realm of the inner cosmos. Of course, the entire sequence is reflected in backwards (frontwards?) order. The soul is the middle point, and from there, the structure moves outward to both the innercosm and the extercosm.
It is possible to learn to switch places with the innercosmic mind, and have it out here while we spend time in there. This is called a “looking glass leap.” Casteneda called it “stepping through the fog”
And “stepping sideways”.

More or less, every Chakra is about like this on the inside. Every Chakra is an access point between the worlds, with conduits flowing through it, various filters and levels of consciousness, and so on.

Nadis And Flowpaths
I am not really an eastern medicine person, but I should mention this stuff so that this section is complete. Hopefully, as this evolves towards the second edition, I can get coauthors to write something up for me.
I experience the nadis and flowpaths and meridians as part of the energetic body. I do not have them memorized or named, and I haven’t studied those reality models enough to really relate that to you. What I can say is that there are thousands of paths of energy in the energy body. They have been observed and categorized and named by various mystical traditions. Once you learn to perceive energy directly, you can perceive so much activity in the energy body that it really can be difficult to focus in on any one thing in particular. I don’t personally feel that it is really necessary for me to study those things, I have a natural and experiential understanding of them, and those who have studied have often commented to me that I do very well instinctually. What you choose to do is up to you of course. If you are into it, also don’t forget Chinese five element theory.

Aural Fields
I personally have developed a reality model of the various levels of the human Aura. For healing purposes, it isn’t really useful information, and so I understand how that information didn’t make it into the very medicinal mysticisms that talk about chakras and flowpaths. Where an understanding is pragmatic is in interpersonal relationships.
There are several layers to the aura, moving outward from the body to hundreds or even thousands of feet away. I have color coded this system, yet this is taking a visual reality model to a non visual reality. Color is a way of making easy associations, at the same time, different people associate different things with different colors. This is why I am very skeptical when people tell me my aura is one color or another, especially if they claim to be able to see it visually, which can happen, but only under phenomenological circumstances. Also, there is so much aural activity that labeling the whole as one color is to me ludicrous.
We start at the outermost level, which I call Red. This is Predatory, survival consciousness. It takes stock of the creatures around it, and assesses threat and nutritional value. In cities, it keeps us conscious of people just as they first come around the corner. The Red field is important to understand and learn to perceive. It can be used by you to keep you on your toes, to push people out of your space, and to help you see opportunities. You can observe it in others to see if they are open to being approached by you, or are wary of you.
People subliminally bounce off of each others Red fields all the time without ever realizing it. It is fun to stand on a crowded street corner, or walk around in a mall, and watch people react to each other on this level.
The next level in is what I call Orange, and it is about social appraisal. “Is this person someone That I can feel comfortable holding space with?” This is activated at bus stops and so forth. It is the comfortable place that strangers hang out in together without talking or communicating. It is herd space, in that it is the loosest possible level of cohesion, yet, it does psychologically bind people together.
The next level is what I call Brown. It is about taste and preference, about what you really want to let into your world. It is the boundary of your sense of reality. Keeping people outside of this space means that one is not aligned ideologically or emotionally with someone else. Be it a business man or a punk rocker, or a pair of gang members from different but non rival gangs, brown space is a place they will bump into each other, and then, they will bounce back out.
The Next level is the natural shielding from energy, and the permeable membrane that defines the “egg” of the aural field. Up till now, we can consider these fields to be amorphous and fluid, going where ever the individual puts that kind of attention. Now we cross into the Aural levels that have a constant form, are architecturally solid. The name for it is “black.” Black is a permeable membrane, usually about one or two feet away from the body, which encapsulates the physical body like an egg. An egg which is dented on top and on the bottom, as universal force flows down and into the 7th chakra, and elemental force flows up and through root chakra.
Next we have blue space. This is conversational space, the comfortable place two friends inhabit across a small table from each other, chatting to themselves. It is the space people walk in together, down the street. It is the space of communication and friendship.
Next we have Green space. Green space is close enough to be sensual or sexual, but not actually touching. This is the space people occupy together when hanging out while first falling in love, and the space that men go to titty bars in order to have someone of the opposite gender enter. It is the space where those who do not have intention of being intimate with each other eventually become uneasy because it is “too close”. Or, “space invasive.”
Finally, just underneath the surface of the skin, we have yellow space, the Space of the life-force field. (In very young or very healthy people, it might be larger.)

The Conduits and the flowpaths usually come off as white in this model. Another aural Field, what I call purple space, should be mentioned. Emitting from the occipital chakras and the temple chakras, the purple field is even more elastic than anything else. It is sometimes completely dormant and inactive, and other times goes out beyond the red field. It is the subtle sensory organ of the Aural body.

All of these Fields can be perceived, and once perceived, you can learn to intentionally manipulate your own fields. This can give you a decided advantage in counseling and crisis management situations. (As well as every other level of human interaction…Remember your Ethics.)


Aural space and personal boundaries;
There is something which happens in society which is that we create artificial social boundaries which have no basis in any reality other than creating a social norm. Thus, we can call the aural boundaries “natural” boundaries, and other boundaries “artificial.”
All of these boundaries must be respected but only the natural boundaries can be anticipated outside of social context.
Artificial boundaries include but are not limited to incest taboo, age relevant sexuality, nudity taboo, public displays of affection\ sexuality, and so forth. They also include non violence taboo, and hierarchal order.
All of these artificial boundaries have reasons, some of them clearly more valid than others.
Non violence taboo is a necessary part of being human. Nudity taboo is just plain silly, and hierarchal order injures the individual in favor of society. Simply put, real ethics and real social functioning depend upon these boundaries on one level, but on another level, these boundaries inhibit the instinctual self and force us to repress our natural impulses. Thus, we end up with both Ego and Shadow, a schizophrenic form of consciousness.
In order to bring things back into normalacy, in order to function as a mage, we have to define the natural boundaries clearly, and learn to respect them without fail. In so doing, the artificial ones become mostly obsolete. The reason why we have to do this is because the only way to do real magick is to have access through the Tao into the innercosmic universe. It is only by changing ourselves within that we can effect change without. And the only way to get to the innercosm as our socialized consciousness currently exists is to enter into the realm of the shadow, and allow it to play as our inner child…. To give it the freedom and respect that it deserves as a part of ourselves, rather than diabolizing it. In this fashion, we tame the shadow, we incorporate it as part of ourselves, and eventually, if we are very competent, we gain access to the totality of ourselves….what psychologists call “integrating” when they talk about multiple personalities.
A mage of any true power or calibre is a person who has in fact integrated the ego with the shadow, and who is therefore conscious of the subconscious mind and its process. When this happens,
the mage ends up with a very powerful perspective about the nature of consciousness, as well as the subconscious mind and its psychology. There can be no better psychologist than one who has adapted themselves in this way.

The way that this happens, or the process that must be gone through is for people to spend time socially attempting to move into 2nd attention while operating from the perspective of intentional levels of heightened intimacy, while also operating with the mutual understanding of the erasure of artificial boundaries as much as is possible. The artificial boundaries outside of us are after all the causation of the boundary of the ego/unconscious self within. Its just a mirror…. As above, so below, as within, so without. Once the outer artificial boundaries collapse, so will the inner.


Movement;
The hard part of energy education is not describing all of these reality models to someone, but rather giving them the tools to develop their own sensitivity. I could render so much “energy education” obsolete if I could only wake a person up into second attention directly. It is important to develop ones own sensitivity, and then to build reality models for oneself, depending upon what one experiences.
The easiest way to do this is through meditative movement.

There are several things to do to prepare. First, get out away from everything into nature. Next, be sure that you can be comfortable in free movement. If you live somewhere where it is currently too cold to be outside without bundling up, forget it. It is better just to hang in your bedroom.
You want to wear nonrestrictive clothing, Preferably something sleeveless like a good vest. I have cut a sweater out so that it works like this for me. For pants, something loose and light. Naked is even better if you can be somewhere where that works for you.
Now just sit for a while and get placid and calm. Then, stand up, and spin yourself around till you are really dizzy. When you are as dizzy as you can get, stop spinning. Close your eyes. Focus your attention on the midpoint between your eyes. Bend your legs slightly, and hold your arms up underneath you, with the wrists hovering directly above the elbows. Now let go and let flow. Allow the dizzyness to move your body. Release into it. Slow, very slow movements are best. Wiggle your fingers, it sends a lot of neural electricity through you that can be tweeked slightly by your subconscious. Its a very personal, very experiential thing. I can tell you that it works better the more clear headed you are and also the more inwardly focused you can be, without distraction. If it works, you will find your limbs moving about without you.
Directing them to do so.

When I do this exercise for myself, people often ask me if I am doing Tai Chi. I have to confess to them that I am not. Even people fairly experienced with Tai Chi sometimes think I am doing Tai Chi. The thing is that meditative movement, however it is approached, if done right, looks fluid and natural and beautiful in a way that ordinary movement does not.
For those that this simple method simply does not work for, And the other methods in the methodology section, I advise taking a meditative movement course.
Tai Chi, Pao Dam Gung, Yogic Asana, Chi Sao (sow) and so many others are ritualized forms to help one experience energy through movement.
For those that this does work for, you will need to spend a lot of time at first really focusing on doing it. Eventually you will not need to get dizzy, but instead, you will just go to that place within you where the waves within are.
As you explore, you will notice that your hands have polarized sub Chakras in them, and that these poles tend to repel each other and attract each other into very specific orbits. The same will later be true for the feet. Explore the Hand Chakra sensations, because they will give you the experience to have the sensitivity to then experience your primary Chakras.

Energy And Voice
One can also learn to access the energetic universe and develop sensitivity to it through the use of voice. Most peoples voices are restrained and unhappy voices. Many people in our society do not sing at all. What we are going to ask you to do is to try several Voice exercises. Hopefully, you can bring them together into your practice, and also, this gives you a preview of the Social experience.
We start of course with the Omm. Omming is an age-old tried and true practice. Begin by exploring deep, full breathes from both the stomach and the chest. Inhale and fill your lungs completely as rapidly as is possible. Exhale and emit a single tone. Maintain that single tone for as long as you possibly can. Make the tone as loud as you can without cracking your voice, or yelling. Keep doing this for an hour or so. Really push yourself to go long, loud, and deep. Explore the tonal range of your voice also. Try high notes and low notes, as low as you can go, as high as you can go, and all the places in between.
Skeptics will of course say that the oxygenation factor is what creates the altered state of consciousness, and I concur that it is a factor. At the same time, it is only part of the reason. The other part is that you are clearing fifth Chakra, and emitting from that energy center.
The next session, do the same thing, but do three tones per breathe. This slowly opens you to musical Omming. Many very beautiful classical pieces were composed in pulses of three.
Then, for the third time, go for five tones.





Dynamic Laughing
Lest we end up sounding like a bunch of severe monks and nuns, It is good to experiment with Dynamic Laughter. Inhale, And laugh as loud as you can. My own Dynamic Laugh has been called “maniacal” “Impish” and even “Evil” and sounds like a halloween soundtrack or movie bit. Go for at least 15 minutes. Go once again for the longest duration and the loudest possible volume. This exercise has been known to really release negative energy well. I like to do it whenever I feel repressed, or made to conform against my will.

Primal Scream
I can’t claim credit for this one, it belongs to modern psychiatry. The Idea is that most people are too uptight to let go, and that emotions of pain and fear become trapped in the unconscious mind. To release them, one can simply allow oneself to have the honest reaction that one was denied in the past.
Primal Scream Therapy frequently consists of just trying to get the patient to do one good from the soul scream. If you can’t do better than that and need therapy to get you past it, you probably are a few years away from being able to be a mage. I’m going to say five solid minutes of screams that would wake the dead. Do this in your car, after explaining to your neighbors or family what you are up to.

For those of you that find this to be weird or silly, no, this is actually a technique borrowed directly from modern Psychology.


Imp Chatter
Imp Chatter is simply nonsensical fast babbling. It is a way of letting go also from language and still participating in the neural level of creating syllables. It is also lots of fun.
This is really most fun if you do it in large groups, or in small groups and use a little bit of mimicry. Once again, project your voice as loud as possible and keep going as long as your breathe will allow. Imp Chatter is an exercise in yang and testosterone.
The purpose of Imp Chatter is to unhinge the force of attention from the normative
Condition of focus on the language(s) you speak. Imagine Tiferet, the place on the tree
In the middle, as a giant spinning wheel of all symbols, all ideas, all concepts, all memes,
All languages; The collective unconscious. Imagine the normal force of attention, stuck
In one tiny little groove on that record, going around and around in the same circle of vowels and consonants and tone and timbre and everything else a mouth can do; Arranged in one specific and very cognicentric fashion or some other. Now imagine that needle on the record player which is your force of attention coming off of that record, and swinging wildly into virgin
Territory, while you listen to a hundred other people do the same thing, and in listening,
Try to find a musical lyrical pattern with each other.

Faery Talk
A variation on Imp Chatter. This is done in a near whisper, with soft, comforting tones, and as high pitch voice as possible. A yin, feminine form. This time, lets imagine ourselves small. Tiny little lights like the mere force of attention we possess; mere witnesses. Let us imagine if you will Carl Sagans Tiny little seedling pod, floating on the wind; or?;

Whereas with imp chatter, we start with merely language, with Faery talk we assume
Several potent assumptions. The first of these is that this new area of the record is blank; we are going to write a new pattern together. The second is that the near parts of the record are already musical; This is musical language, and as such, one component of its randomness is musical tone, added to the more complicated dynamics of phonetics.
The third assumption is that in truth we are subliminally telepathic, and capable of projecting our consciousness into the cosmic whole. IE, imagine that this is an exercise in astral
Travel. You will not try to carry your body, only a vantage point of some sort of third person camera. That camera will be for very tactical reasons a microscopic camera which will render our perspective much smaller than human; approximately the size of an insect.
However, this ball of force of attention can travel from person to person, and sustain
A limited form of telepathy. So what you will do in respect to this is that as the pattern grows out from chaos, you will pick one person to both mimick and resonate off of; to accompany with your own echoing birdsong. Your force of attention will be entirely on this
Person, and you will allow the subconscious mind to take over control of the voice.

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The only relevant question is wether or not people are able to obtain a
waking theta condition, or, if they are just participating in the fleecing
of the public and the sheeple drive to keep people out of altered states of
consciousness.

The last thing that the elites want is a public capable of entering altered
states of consciousness because that would precipitate serious social and political
change. If people realized what is possible and how they are being controlled,
they would rise up against that control.

The system as is exists for the explicit purpose of keeping people ignorant
in general and ignorant specifically of how to obtain altered states of
consciousness. Meditation techniques abound, they are sold by the dozen in
new age bookstores. But not one of those books will help you get anything deeper
than a waking alpha state, because thats all the elites want you to get,
and the elites control what gets published.

The truth is very simple and yet very complicated. There are four brainwave
states of consciousness and you can be in any of the four while asleep or awake.
Actually,all four types of waves are present in the brain at all times, the difference
is primarilly which pattern dominates the brain; which of four channels is actually
nbeing used by the whole brain. The brain wave states are like gears or channels,
they are each a total way that the machine operates or an operating condition
of the brain. Each operating condition of the brain stems out of evolutionary
vectors. Evolution selected different brainwaves and operational conditions
to ensure the survival of assorted organisms including us.

Because you can get brainwave patterns of any kind going during any brainwave
state, one of the better gimicks that they fool people with is to call almost
any brainwave activity a brainwave state. Inducing alpha or theta waves
is not the same as bneing in an alpha or theta condition.

Obtaining a waking Theta condition is extremely difficult; perhaps easilly harder
in some senses than scaling mount everest. The psyche has to become clear,
and the shadow dialogues between brodmanns brain areas have to be calmed or stilled.
There are 40 or 70 brodmanns brain areas depending upon how they are counted.
Each has a slightly different physical material make-up, we are talking about physical
structures in the brain which can be measured. A waking theta condition is
a situation in which the normally passive mammalian mind and the normally yin
side of the brain take over operations from the forebrain and control the whole
brain from the point of veiw of the sleeping animal. Theta arose in evolutionary
process as that state in which the reptile mind awakens to deal with things like
healing the body and doing systemic maintainance.

When you sleep, you start out in a beta brainwave state awake, and then go into
first an alpha and then delta brainwave condition. Theta brainwave conditions
are short during sleep, and one main kind of of theta is called REM or "rapid eye
movement". It is during this stage of sleep that dreams happen, and this is
very key to understanding why Theta states are so important.

While in a waking beta condition, the ego mind is built out of the conversations
of the forebrain, and bain information filters keep the ego self from being
distracted by the overwhelmingly complicated information which is being processed
by the subliminal mind. These filters exist to keep the illusion of the distal
and proximal stimulus fully intact. It is only when in a Theta state that those
filters quit, and only during a theta state thus that the normally dominant
ego mind becomes receptive to incoming information from other brodmanns brain
areas. Dreams are thus communication attempts from other parts of the brain to
the ego mind.

Beta states are a particular relationship style between the brodmanss brain
areas, alpha states a different relationship style, and so it goes with theta
and delta. The operational states of the brain exist so that we will sleep,
which is necessary because we are neuromuscular machines that build up electrostatic
in our nerves and muscles while the machine is operating. Sleep allows the system
to flush static electricity, and this is the evoutionary reason why we started
to sleep. Dreaming is the result first of neurochemical chaos as the flushing
happens, but that is then organized and coded into a signal by the temporal
occipital lobes and sent as a micro movie to the ego mind.

Obtaining altered states of consciousness is next to impossible without clear
and lucid information about how the human brain and mind work. Most meditation
programs don't try to educate a persona about the apparatus, and don't define
meditation propperly as actions taken to obtain altered states.
Almost all marketed meditation out there is really just methodologies to visit
waking alpha states, which is like limiting travel to the foyer at ground level
in a building half a mile tall. The psyche is very large. A psychonaut has plenty
of space to explore.

The truth is that i have explored from a very young age and with a great degree
of accidental advantage as an aspie the realm of the possible. I studied psychology
textbooks starting at age 9 when my mother was in college. By then i could speed
read and could easilly digest a textbook in a single sitting.
I did everything that they could tell me about to obtain waking alpha conditions,
and was an expert self hypnotist by the time i was 15. By then i had moved on
however and was following my instinct and small hints towards silencing the internal
dialogue and obtaining more than self hypnosis books know how to get you to;
Waking delta states, or states of silence of the ego mind; silence of the internal
dialogue. I spent hours night after night staring out into lakes until i finally
became successful.

But it was not until my early 20s that i figured out how to induce Theta states.
I had had a few spontaneous and mostly accidental experiences with waking theta
by then, but nothing i could reproduce or control. By cheating a bit and using
Halucinogenics and pavlovian cue post hypnotic suggestions, mixed with the framework
provided by Wicca, I began obtaining regular waking theta states at about the age
of 24.

This may be partially incomplete, i'll have to look it over. Its a group theta induction which is probably the easiest way I know of to get there. The problem difference between theory and practice is that often shadows come up and then you have to
sort peoples stuff out and do therapy.
-------------------------
Get eight freinds together and try it.
If you practice only a few hours, you should start having at the very
least an awesome choral group. And if you go on for a while,
you should start making transitions into Theta states of consciousness.

This is called Glossolia.
It is a reconstruction based on an intrinsic understanding of several
key principles about how mind works. I won't try to explain why it works,
I will just tell you that it does.
(after you have tried it and want to understand it, come on back to me
once you have the experience that will make my explanation make sense to you.)




The internal dialogue structure of Theta States of consciousness is harmonic-
musical. We know this as people often experience "hearing a chorus of Angels"
when a Theta condition is induced.

Drumbeats at the same cycles per second as a given state are powerful cues
that can help us to enter altered states of consciousness.

The following is a methodology for entering Theta states of consciousness, designed
by yours truly.




prometheuspan
4/19/2001 4:28 PM 3 out of 31


Trybl Vortx Part Two, The Prequal.

Drummers Parlance.

In theory, the Trybl Vortx system by itself should work fine.
It is an absolute
description of the variables involved, and a total solution.
In practice,
singing like angels is too hard.
The requisite skill, or understanding involved
is too far removed from human experience.

Thus, we have "Drummers Parlance", Both a pre-quel game, and a description of a
very specific form of communication.
Drummer's parlance is simply the communication verbally of a pattern or
patterns, which can then receive tonal or musical counterparts. Drummers'
parlance in the strictest sense is non-tonal, or rhythm only. Sounds are
representations of various durations of time.

The duration of time covered by a "A" is a .1 amount of time. The duration of a
"Ta" is.2 duration of time. The duration of a "Ka, or a "Te" is also a .2
representation of time. Then a "Toom" is a .3 duration of time. These
definitions can be stretched, but the general idea is there.

Then, those kinds of syllables are arranged to count time in pattern. The
pattern repeats, and that is what gives us a "Full measure" of time.

For instance:


Tecka Tecka Toom Toom Te Ka Toom Ta La Toom Teck Teck Ta Ta

Tecka Toooma Tecka Ta Te Ka Ta Tooma la Teck Toom Teck la

Ta Tecka Ta Toom Ta Ta Ta La Tecka Tecka Ta Tooma Ta Ta Ta

Toooma Toooma Ta Ta Ta Toom Ta Toom Ta La La Ta Tooma Ta La

Elata Ta Lata Eee La Ta Ee Lata Tooma Ala La Ee La Tecka Tecka

Tee Tooma Tee Tooma Ta Ta Tecka Tooma Elata Tao Teck Toom Tecka Tao

Ticka Ticka Tock Tao Ticka Tooma Tock Toom

Tick Tock Tao Tao Ticka Tao Tecka





prometheuspan
4/19/2001 4:30 PM 4 out of 31
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This gets us to 29. I am going to go with the idea that you get my point
before
I count to a thousand.
The point is that we have now created 100 "phrases" if we count that high,
which
are one or two beats long. The Lengths of the various beats is variable and
is
the most interesting part of all of this. If we say that it all just goes
from 1
to ten, then Tao-Aum is 13 counts. Rhythms we feel comfortable with are
at their
simplest 3 beats long. The heartbeat is Ta-silence-Doom. More complex rhythms
go
up into the 20 beat range but not much higher. Any set pattern should repeat

within 20 beats or the human mind won't be able to comprehend it.
Tecka Tecka Toom Toom is six beats, and in the time of the second exploration,
4,1,4,1,5,5 counts long. 20 counts. A pattern at 23 beats;
Tecka Tecka Toom Toom Elati Tati Toom Toom Tecka Tecka Elati Tati Toom.

With a count of 4,1,4,1,5,5,2,1,2,2,2,2,5,5,4,1,4,1,1,2,2,5 for sub- total of
10, 10,11,10,10,10. And a total of 61 counts.

So the point of all of this is to get a mental picture of what is possible for
different kinds of rhythm patterns.
The Idea of drummers parlance is that I should be able to say to a drummer,
"Give me: Tecka Tecka Toom Toom, Elati Tati Toom Tao" And have them go, "Give
that to me three times." And I Go "Tecka Tecka Toom Toom, Elati Tati Toom Tao
Tecka Tecka Toom Toom, Elati Tati Toom Tao Tecka Tecka Toom Toom, Elati Tati
Toom Tao Tecka Tecka Toom Toom, Elati Tati Toom Tao" And Then They are doing
it
with me, and it sounds good, because we are both in the same pattern.
Then, I can play my flute inside of the pattern of the drummer, and the next
thing you know, we sound like a rocking duet.

That's only part one of Drummers parlance and it's the most interesting half.
The other half is even more annoying and more like an exercise but it really
works.
This other half is basically as simple as "counting time."

123123123123123123123123123123123
123,123,123,123,123,123,123,123,123
12341234123412341234123412341234
1234,1234,1234,1234,1234,1234,1234,
12345, 12345,12345,
12,1234,123,123,1234,
123,12,123,1234, 12,
And so forth on and on into infinity.

By learning Drummers Parlance, we are learning to think in the kinds of patterns
that we have to use later on in Tick Tock Tao.





prometheuspan
4/19/2001 4:31 PM 5 out of 31


The rest becomes a question of what you are trying to express.
The answer is of
course that you are trying to express an emotion,
which is really just a state
of consciousness.
Realizing this, we are looking at 4 states of consciousness,
and realizing that certain tempos,
beats, and tones describe each of these
states. Thus, music can be created specifically to harmonize the individual
into
a given state of consciousness.
(But this hasn't been done as far as I know yet, only frauds have tried it,
people who had no real understanding of states of consciousness, or not
enough
skill.)

Where do we go from here? We start a pattern, and we show how any such
pattern
evolves musically and harmonically,
how slow beats have within them the seeds of
faster beats and how fast beats are tied to slower beats.
Using the eight roles,
any given pattern can become a total song.

The entire process is in a sense best accomplished in a large group of people.
The 4 track is a great tool, but we don't have 20 earphones
and 20 plug-ins for
those earphones for 20 people to participate in recording.
So we get the people
singing first, and then once we are really rocking we make our first sample
recording. Then, if we want to, we take that to the 4 track and add in whatever
we want to. Since we don't have 20 people, the best thing to do is to go with as
many as we can get.
The main thing is that everybody has to do his or her homework.
They have to get
a real sense of what we are doing away from it all.
They have to actually read
the form. Otherwise it's just playing around.
The other thing is we have to have
an understanding that we approach things from a very serious level at first.
Sure it leads into fun, but without focus it disintegrates into noise.
I'd love to be able to hang out for 60 years and play with everybody, but I
can't afford to. What has to happen instead is people have to take responsibly
and seriously the information I am giving them for 30 minutes at a time a few
times a week, and then in a week or two it will be the Angelic Choir.
And then we can release the forms and the structure as just a tool that got us
to the place of being able to play at a more sophisticated level.

Thank you for your time and energy. May peace love and light win within us all.
PrometheusPAN





prometheuspan
4/19/2001 4:32 PM 6 out of 31


>TRYBL VORTX (Part One)
Tick Tock Tao
Is a specific form for improvisational singing with a group of people.
Using
this structure, We move from simple to complex, with each individual
adding
another level of complexity. By attuning very specifically to the pattern
as it
all ready exists, we evolve the pattern without loosing each other.
Thus we can
be together as long as we use the structure.

The Idea here is that we have modeled the timing and harmonics relationships
that naturally exist with each other, and come up with "parts" or "roles"
that
reflect these relationships. Then, we model the natural evolutionary path
of a
pattern, as it moves from complexity to simplicity, and we find that in
essence,
these roles have an order to them in terms of who follows who and what
follows
what.

In reality Tick Tock Tao is thus nothing new. It is simply a way of
organizing
things that are well understood all ready. When we look at Tribal
cultures all
over the world (or what is left of them after being effected by the global
hive...) We find that they have very specific formats for social
interaction in
different states of consciousness. Whereas we, the global hive,
have protocols
structure or format for existing in only one state of consciousness.

The words "Tick Tock Tao" are culled from inside of a trance space.
The entire
sequence was at one time used as a trance cue to enter a specific state of
consciousness. The meaning of the words is as follows. Tick refers to time.
Visualize a clock. Music is all about time and timing relationships.
Rhythm is
in a sense just various ways of counting time.
Tock has a double meaning, including Talk. Talking, communicating.
Tick Tock Tao
is a way of learning to communicate musically, rather than a way of creating
entertainment. We try to treat music from the very different perspective of the
shaman. We have two hemispheres in our brain, and one side is verbal while the
other is musical. The fact of our attunement to pitch and the ability of our
voices to sing indicates that at one point in time in human history, we sang to
each other as a form of communication
I have taken this presupposition one step further, and have tried to understand
how music can be used as a genuine shamans tool for facilitating altered states
of consciousness. Specifically, in Theta states of consciousness, Those states
associated with spiritual experience and perception of subtle levels of reality,
we can expect the human animal to have communicated musically, rather than
phonetically. The reason is simple and is about personal experience.
In Deep Theta states, the energy of the electrical impulses in the brain comes
into phase. Millions of signals that in Beta states of consciousness are just
going off in their own way in their own time and their own direction all
suddenly come together "in phase" or in harmony. The hum that is experienced is
audible to the ear, as the electrical output of the brain no longer scatters
itself in patterns of interference but amplifies itself in patterns of sustained
harmony.




prometheuspan
4/19/2001 4:33 PM 7 out of 31


Tao refers to the idea that we are indeed changing our state of consciousness
through the use of this exercise. Specifically, we are moving from the yang
waking state to the yin waking state. Thus, the Tao of consciousness is
spinning.


The entire poem:
"Tick Talk Tao" said the Druid to the Drow,
"Be here now and keep your vow to remember.
Do you remember, before you were born?
Leaping through the barley and dancing in the corn?"

"Tick Tock Tao" Said the Faery in the Tree
To the Cave monk sentinel of the cave monk Key
"It's the birds and the bees and the omens I see
That opens the portal of perception to me.

(The poem is an instruction for the ego wall to disintegrate allowing the memory
of pre-mortal existence to come into consciousness.)

Drummers Parlance
Tick, Tock, Ti, Ta, Tia, Ticka, Tocka, Toom, Tooma, are all sounds that are used
in verbal communications of drummers' patterns. This is called "Drummers
Parlance" and is a reality model that was presented to me by a master drummer.
The drumming in the community in which I was operating vastly improved as he
introduced the idea to us.

The Essential Idea
The idea is simple. We can communicate the drum patterns verbally and
phonetically. If we can't do that, we shouldn't be drumming. (At least according
to him.)
The reason is that verbal and phonetic communication proves that understanding
exists about pattern. Otherwise there isn't necessarily and in fact true
understanding. Most drum circles are very chaotic and a-synchronized to the
trained ear.

Instructions
In Tick Tock Tao, there are eight roles. The roles are organized into "Alpha"
and "Beta." Which means "Leader" and "follower." (To some degree. As you will
see, the relationship between Alpha and Beta oftentimes gives the Beta more
freedom and more responsibility too.) The role types are Aummer, Drummer,
Singer, and Whisperer.
These roles represent the natural evolution of pattern. We go from tone, to
rhythm, to song, and out away from order into chaos. Thus, the Aummers start,
and are given time to warm up, then the Drummers Start, and are given time to
warm up, then the singers start, and are given time to warm up, and then the
whisperers start. Nobody is really waiting for them, at least not until level
two.
The Whisperers have a special role. They perform slowly the evolutionary path
of all three other types of roles. When they finish, if the groove is still
going, the Aummers become Whisperers. They get to drum, and then sing, adding
their own parts to the more
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prometheuspan
4/19/2001 4:35 PM 8 out of 31



complex pattern. Once the Aummers have been singing for a while, The drummers
should feel free to sing also.
In this way, the pattern evolves into complexity.
On the other hand, especially while we are learning how to do Tick Tock Tao,
what will often happen is that the pattern will start to break apart. The
Whisperers are the pattern police. If the pattern starts to fly apart, their job
is to make sure that it flies apart completly, blows itself open wide, and thus,
the energy is released.
Even really rocking grooves must eventually come to an end, and it is the
whisperers job to raise the energy out into chaos and celebration. That way a
new groove can start.

I have written role cards to make this very easy. Each person receives a role
card. (If there are more than eight people, buddy up with the person next to
you, unless that person is a singer, in which case, play drummers.)

Tick Tock Tao in the most formal sense does things the hard way by going from
toning to rhythm. It may be easier to start out with a simple pattern of some
kind.



Alpha Aummer
Everything begins with you. You breathe deep and hold a base tone.
For three full breaths, The Beta Aummer matches you. The Beta Aummer Tones the
same tone exactly, and covers you while you breathe. Then The Beta Aummer picks
a new tone, and the two of you take turns. When the drumming starts, you will
begin oscillating between the first tone and the second tone, for the duration
of a full measure. For instance, the drummer will say
"Ticka Ticka tocka teck toom tock
doon" The drummer will do this over and over, and you will tone for the duration
of that pattern a single tone and then another single tone, back and forth. As
things evolve, you can bring in more single tones for the full measure of that
pattern. Eventually, once the singers are really going, you can chop the pattern
into smaller chunks and tone for the duration of those.
Your part may be boring for you, but remember, you are helping everyone else
keep time.
In level two of the game, you will pass your card on and receive a new card, and
a new role. Maintain your old role until you fully understand your new role.
Then switch roles.
Remember to listen to the tone the Beta Aummer gives you, and try to take turns
breathing and toning with them. (Take your breathe on a given beat.)



Beta Aummer.
You will listen to the alpha aummer, and support them by mimicking what they do
exactly at first. However, you will soon begin to take turns breathing, and as
you explore that single first tone that the song is based on, you will choose
personally a second new tone that is 5 or seven or nine or some number that works
well distant from the first tone in terms of whole notes. (Thus forming a sort
of master structure of high note and low note between the two of you.)
You should probably consider range here as the most important factor, the alpha
aummer is going to pick a tone that is comfortable for their voice. You are going
to match that tone exactly, or find a resonance with it an octave below or above.
When you change over to a new tone, you want to be in a place that is comfortable
for your voice.
In the first level of the game, i am sorry to say that your role may be somewhat
dull for you, as you will simply take turns going back and forth with the alpha aummer,
one of you breathing deeply in while the other Aumms.
However, be assured that you are holding the root of the experience together and
that you give the structure the stability it needs. Everybody is listening to the two
of you to keep time by.

Alpha Drummer.
You will pick the primary beat structure for the song. You will chop the two tones
each into several peices, listening to both the alpha and beta aummers. To do this
it may help to closely reveiw the preveiw material for the exercise regarding beat
structures. The two Aummers are going to create a whole phrase going back and forth
between them;
"AUMMMMMMMMMMM, aummmmmmmmmmmmmm"
your response, for instance, might be;
"teka teka ta ta, teka teka tooma"
You want to keep it pretty doable and not very complicated, a sort of slower beat, so that
the beta Aummer can add in a faster version of what you are doing with more syllables.


Beta Drummer.
You will listen to the alpha aummer, and notice that the beat is kind of slow. You may be
pciked for this job because you are found to be really good at drumming. This is
a key role and one thats easy to make a mess of, so it is important to be on it.
You have on the other hand one of the funner roles. You get to chop the longer beat
into several more beats, in the above example,

the aummers are doing a
"AUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM, aummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm"
alpha drummer response, for instance, might be;
"teka teka ta ta, teka teka tooma"
your response might be;
"teketititeka tati tati tekati tekatiti toomata"



prometheuspan
4/19/2001 4:39 PM 10 out of 31


Alpha Singer
You listen to the Alpha Drummer, whose pattern is slower than the beta drummer.
You listen to the tones created by the Aummers. You Mimic the Alpha drummer
until you are sure you have the pattern. Then, you begin to add tones. Your
first tone should be the same as the alpha Aummers, and your last tone should be
the same as the beta Aummer. Next, you fill in that rhythm with tones. You
create a song that becomes the master tonal pattern. If level two is achieved,
your choices become the
Underlying pattern that everyone else follows in the creation of song.
Remember that you are listening to two elements and blending them. You are
listening to the rhythm first, to pick it up, and then to the tones the Aummers
are using, so that it all stays in harmony and key.
Synthesizing these two levels is the hardest job in Tick Tock Tao and one that
it can't work without. If you end up feeling overwhelmed by the task,
Switch roles with somebody else.
The difficulty of this job is made easier in that your song is with the slow
beat, not the fast one. This is very key to your success. Pay attention only to
the Alpha Drummer,
Not the Beta Drummer.


Beta Singer
You listen to the Alpha Singer. They will be singing a slow song. You mimic
their song until you are certain that you have it. You will notice that they are
in beat with the alpha drummer and in tone with the Aummers. Put your attention
next on the Beta Drummer, who is your pal. They are doing a beat that is faster
than the Alpha Drummer. Separating yourself now psychologically from the alphas,
follow the same pattern you have but bring more beats into it and evolve it so
that it is in time with the faster tempo.
This skill is all about taking the singing pattern and adding "flams" and
"perks' to it. If the long pattern is going "Teck Tooma" while the fast pattern
is going "Elata Ladoonta"
Then you are simply adding two syllables. Maybe its "TaTaTa Tooma
Tecka Tooma" for the fast pattern. Now you are essentially multiplying two by
three, three syllables for each of the main two.
Each Of the Alpha singers tones becomes the base note in a chord.
You are filling in the rest of the notes to form a whole chord.

Whisperers
As a Whisperer you mimic the Aummers. This is your chief job, but of all the
jobs, your job changes the most. If the pattern makes it to a full on groove,
with the beta singer completely in for a while, you go ahead and begin to evolve
along the path. Spending time now slowly with each of the other roles, you mimick
each of the others in turn until you arrive back at your own space after the beta singer.
this re-enforces the assorted roles, you act as a sort of back up singer that
helps hold the groove together. Your job over all is actually the role of the
mechanic, if somethings a little off, your job is to attempt to fix it. But if its
unfixable, your job is to scrap it for a new start.
Other than that, you also get the fun job of adding interest. Animal noises,
poetic babble, (actual language engades the verbal mind and should be totally avoided
for the entire exercise) and other such things are the spices you can throw in for
emphasis and variety.
The Alpha whisperer should focus on the alpha roles and the beta whisperer should focus on
the beta roles.




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This all applies to telepathy rather directly, as the art of MIMICKRY that you have to employ,
of listening to the group, of not letting your ego interere, but rather,
giving over to the true center, these are all the same skills you need for telepathy.

Further, if you attain theta this way, in a social environment, two things will happen.
1. You will be able to hear the angelic choir
2. You will have limited telepathy with the people you are doing it with.

Good luck.
If ANYBODY actually takes me seriously and does it, you could have profound
results in only the next few hours.

I have for myself eight cards, on which I have the eight roles written down.

Thats a great way to go, as then you can switch roles without even talking about it.




DJ43
4/20/2001 11:40 AM 12 out of 31

I take you quite seriously, and I am going to have to print these posts out so that I have them
permanently.
However, it will be days before I can attempt to do the actual process, not a few hours, sorry.
Thank you for so much detail.
One question, just so I am clear, I need to be sure to gather seven people together,
or may it be a number less than eight including myself?
Respectfully,
Denise



Prometheuspan
4/20/2001 9:34 PM 13 out of 31

There are eight roles in the game as described, I think about four is the bare
essential absolute minimum. There is no real maximum,
but you will have to work out organizing it yourself.

You can easilly have two or three people fill each role.
Group them together of course, and make sure they follow each other.

Best of luck!!

And thank you so very much for getting to it at all!!

The real take off for this area will be the results you achieve.
two more weeks for the area and counting...



iammeinabody
4/21/2001 3:30 PM 14 out of 31

Thanks for the info. It clarified some experiances and gives me something to work on.
I'm having a great time trying to keep up on all this.
Now I just need to expand time so to include practice. K



prometheuspan
4/21/2001 3:52 PM 15 out of 31

yes, but does anybody have any questions?

http://www.crystalinks.com/holographic.html

http://www.earthportals.com/hologram.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_principle

http://twm.co.nz/hologram.html

http://twm.co.nz/holoUni.html

adam kadmon
http://www.newkabbalah.com/adam.html

http://www.spiritmythos.org/holy/light/kadmon_td.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Kadmon

http://www.kheper.net/topics/Kabbalah/L ... Kadmon.htm

http://www.plotinus.com/images/East.jpg
http://www.celtoslavica.de/imago/bilder/Adam_Kadmon.jpg
http://www.ihms.net/kabbalah/images/Adam_Kadmon.jpg
http://www.feelsophie.de/weltundgegenwe ... kadmon.jpg
http://www.meru.org/Posters/AdamKadmonComboC8nov01a.gif
http://www.metahistory.org/images/AdamKadmon1.jpg
http://www.biblio-labirint.info/images/adam-kadmon.jpg

fractal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractal
http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/fractals.htm
http://www.ultrafractal.com/

scalar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalar_field
http://www.keylonticdictionary.org/Word ... 0Waves.htm
http://www.keylonticdictionary.org/Word ... 0Field.htm
http://www.prahlad.org/pub/bearden/scalar_wars.htm
http://www.scalar-is.com/

http://www.rbduncan.com/sw.htm
http://moriond.in2p3.fr/J04/trans/winitzki.pdf
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ ... 260199.php
http://www.lcc.gatech.edu/~xinwei/paper ... brief.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractal

http://tribes.tribe.net/psychonautics/t ... metheuspan
9/14/2000 4:34 PM 1 out of 9

The whole usefullness of Entheogenic substances is that they
trigger us to quit our habitual atunement to beta state and allow us to re-tune.

The hopeful end of the exploration of the shaman is the ability to attain profound altered states of conscousness without the use of the substance.

Right now, the very reason why our culture uses is because
we are trying to escape. Trying to escape the Beta industrial hive
verbal-logical mathematical mindset.

Theta States of consciousness are the states associated with spiritual experiences. ("Numinous experiences" to use the science term.)
They are achieved only by having more energy of attention to focus in the present moment than what is used for beta,
and by focusing that energy of attention upon the non-physical level of reality, or upon a complex musical foci.

Theta states of consciousness are sustained and created out of an internal dialogue musical communication.

Just as a hundred voices talking in unison is noise and a hundred voices singing in unison is glorious, so to goes it with the communication of neurons.


http://tribes.tribe.net/psychonautics/t ... 20100cbeec

well, thats it for today ...lol.

Don't want to flood the new thread too much...

i've read all of what you've said and visited all the links

DMT? never done it can't say. Since i have done shamanic doses of lsd and shrooms i can say authoritatively that is a doorway to theta.
I assume thats also true of DMT from descriptions and what I have read.

The problem is that for th most part such short cuts don't give you the same psychological stability as with entering the state
naturally, and they make all your neurons fire all at once, so you have lots of beta, delta, and alpha activity distracting you.

I like carlos casteneda via his don juan character. His idea was that such things are good for people who are inordinantly stuck to jar them and show them a place.

Datura rituals which i have studied are very interesting in that the idea is that you only do the datura just once as a right of passage- and after that, you are supposed to have learned as a shaman to do the same trick without the substance at all.

I'm hesitant to say much on public forums because i don't want to be responsible for other people being stupid.

All in all such things can show you a lot and teach you a lot, but to answer the question; how to talk with "god"

welll.....

if your idea of god is the "ally" of the substance, then it will potentially connect you to that. But if you want to connect to cosmic consciousness, you are going to have to learn from such experiences and figure out how to replicate them
without the substance.

Having said that much, If you want to start a thread on hallucinogenics i'd be glad to participate. I'd like this thread to be about means other than hallucinogenics, and thats what it comes down to sooner or later anyways.

i've read all of what you've said and visited all the links
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IF true, very impressive.

Now; what did you think of it?