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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 12:18 am    Post subject: Intentional Action and Asperger's Syndrome: Reply with quote

This very short "test" was interesting to me. I immediately gave the "Aspie" answer, and when I saw what the NT answer would be, I was completely puzzled. I have looked at it over and over again and cannot answer it any other way.

Take a look: http://blogs.psychologytoday.com/blog/experiments-in-philosophy/200811/intentional-action-and-asperger-syndrome

Please just read from the top down... no peeking at the two different answers Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, I can't see how paying the extra dollar could be intentional.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I got the Aspie answer too.

I think his only intent was the get the biggest smoothie available. But who has a smoothie when they are dehydrated? I'd go with water.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 1:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

...I thought he got the cup intentionally. If you cut the crap, the exchange went

'The biggest smoothie comes in a commemorative cup.'
'Gimmie the biggest smoothie.'

and the other one went

'The biggest smoothie costs an extra dollar'
'Gimmie the biggest smoothie.'

Of course he got the cup on purpose and of course he paid the money on purpose. If he didn't want to pay he could have gotten something smaller and if he didn't want the cup he would have said so. But if you say he didn't get the cup on purpose, you should say he also didn't pay the money on purpose, because the reasoning that leads to each conclusion is identical.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it depends on what is meant by "intentionally". I answered both with "no", because to me, his only intention was to get the biggest drink possible. The type of cup and the price of the drink were not an issue. I fail to see how avoiding or not avoiding getting stuck with some hideous cup is any different than avoiding or not-avoiding paying an extra dollar.


I wonder, is getting the commemorative cup meant to be seen as desirable, while paying the extra dollar is meant to be seen as undesirable? Is that where the difference lies? I'm still not getting it.

And there I was, feeling all fraudulent about feeling like I might be an aspie, because I don't flap my hands and laugh loudly at jokes I don't get.

BTW, my husband, who is an NT, aspie-like engineer, has just spent the past ten minutes analyzing this whole thing and explaining the reasoning behind his answer (the nt answer), until I had to shout, "Okay!!!!" So, now I understand the reasoning behind the nt answer, after my husband's long-winded, unsolicited lecture. Rolling Eyes Laughing I'm standing by mine, though.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 1:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spokane_Girl wrote:
iceb wrote:
Sorry, I can't see how paying the extra dollar could be intentional.


Because if he didn't want to pay an extra dollar, he would have just walked out the door, not buying a smoothie because he didn't like the change in price. But because he knew they cost a dollar more because he was informed by the cashier, so therefore he chose to pay an extra dollar. Get it?


Same with the cup. He could have chosen to not get it. It's not a difficult choice, but if you take it like that, he was intending to get the cup when he ordered the smoothie at the end, whereas he wasn't when he first for the drink. Same with the money.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 2:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a bad habit I learnt when i was a kid and i dont do no more except sometimes when i have been drinking.
It's like i dont think I just do it and cause i ask in such a sweet way it always works.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 2:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I thought there was a reasonable change that the cashier wouldn't give him the cup, I would have changed my answer, but I don't think there was, and I do think he expected to get the cup when he said he didn't care about it (don't care for it would have meant he didn't want it.)
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 2:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AliasPseudonym wrote:
...I thought he got the cup intentionally. If you cut the crap, the exchange went

'The biggest smoothie comes in a commemorative cup.'
'Gimmie the biggest smoothie.'

and the other one went

'The biggest smoothie costs an extra dollar'
'Gimmie the biggest smoothie.'

Of course he got the cup on purpose and of course he paid the money on purpose. If he didn't want to pay he could have gotten something smaller and if he didn't want the cup he would have said so. But if you say he didn't get the cup on purpose, you should say he also didn't pay the money on purpose, because the reasoning that leads to each conclusion is identical.

thats what I thought
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 3:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That... confused me. I knew what I was supposed to answer for the second one, but it didn't feel right. The premise was the same as the first one, so I don't really understand why the intention would be different. Both things (the cup and the extra dollar) were superflous details that he didn't care about. So why would the answer be different?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 3:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wasn't his only intention to get the large smoothie, irrespective of getting a cup or paying extra. Confused
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