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PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 12:04 am    Post subject: Link between Aspergerís and creative writing. Reply with quote

I have Aspergerís Syndrome.

I want to write. Specifically, fiction.

I know all the mechanics of good writing.

But I cannot generate ideas. Therefore I donít write.

Can anyone confirm that this is a common situation for Aspies, that Aspies are not found in any great numbers in the ranks of writers?
If you seem to think Iím banging my head against a wall, I may forget the idea of wanting to write.

But otherwise Ė if you consider my thinking to be flawed - Iíll look for other reasons for my inability. On that angle, you might have some ideas too.

Oh, and Iím 72, if that matters.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can write fiction, but I can't invent characters. So I either write fan fics (pre-made characters) or base them on people I know.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 12:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think more than one well know writer once said to write about what you know and what you have expereinced and then you can't go wrong.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 12:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

u should prolly play the piano then
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to write but never finish a novel.
I kept starting new stories because I kept coming up with new ideas for better books.

I ended up with a bunch of brilliant yet unfinished books.

So I had to many ideas and not enough patience.

lol maybe me and you should collaborate on writing a book together.

I can give you the plot and you can write it. Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope you get inspired . I wish you the best of luck!
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Write, it cures writers block. The Greatest fiction of all time, book one, chapter one, line one, will stop anyone dead in their tracks, we learn from writing, and the first thing is haul the garbage, write fifty pages, it does not matter about what, it is something new, thoughts flowing outward. Once the flow starts, once past the garbage, you might get a good middle for a chapter, and it will tell you where the beginning and ends are.

Chapters are a series of short stories which each must stand alone, and all tell a story.

Characters are best stolen from real life, truth is stranger than fiction.

Then go through and strike out everything that does not carry the story or develop the characters. It brings focus, and then rebuild the story, adding strong parts, then edit some more. Most books have more words than story, as story and characters increase, it is a better read.

Play with your characters and let them lead, see through their eyes, look into their motives, and with three people in the room and something, write the story from the point of view of each, and the result can merge into showing all three points of view in one story.

Be a word killer, whack filler words, if it works without it, it is gone.

Writing is a lot of work, and rewriting. Since we can write more than publish, use it, get to turning out ten pages a day, most to be tossed, but one good line, one idea that comes, gets caught, and can be reused.

Ten pages a day is 3500 a year, and out of that maybe 10% is worth keeping, and if it makes a book a year, that is good for a writer.

Research, do not take your word for it, check your work, add learning by reading. Science Fiction started as science educational.

It helps to be obsessive.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Inventor's is good advice.

Aside from what has already been postulated -- that there may be a connection between Asperger syndrome and creativity -- I have nothing to add about any definitive link between Asperger syndrome and creative writing. But it wouldn't surprise me if more than a few of my favorite writers had AS or were otherwise on the spectrum: Samuel Beckett, Henry James, W.B. Yeats and maybe Joyce.

Study and read more great works.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 1:19 am    Post subject: Re: Link between Aspergerís and creative writing. Reply with quote

MarchHare wrote:
I have Aspergerís Syndrome.

I want to write. Specifically, fiction.

I know all the mechanics of good writing.

But I cannot generate ideas. Therefore I donít write.

Can anyone confirm that this is a common situation for Aspies, that Aspies are not found in any great numbers in the ranks of writers?
If you seem to think Iím banging my head against a wall, I may forget the idea of wanting to write.

But otherwise Ė if you consider my thinking to be flawed - Iíll look for other reasons for my inability. On that angle, you might have some ideas too.

Oh, and Iím 72, if that matters.


I want to be a writer too.
All my stories are up here *points to head* and it's hard to get them on paper.
I have this thing called fixed fantasy, where I think up characters and storylines in my head in detail. I've been doing that since I started kindergarten.
Whenever I start writing my ideas down they don't come as easily as it was to think about them.
I used to watch people and eavesdrop on their conversations, and even go as far to guess what type of personality some people that just walk passed me have.
And yes, get ideas from life experience.
Get ideas from nature - I once sat down for hours staring at breaker waves (jagged man made rocks) and thought of ideas for a complete spy novel. I even had an idea for the front cover of the book.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 2:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am a semi-professional writer. I am told I am very good at it.

I am useless at fiction.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 3:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think inability to be creative is some how linked to aspie character.
i have this problem with lack of creativity.so i have problems with white lies.
i have heared another aspie had same problem.so it may be a comorbid condition.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 3:24 am    Post subject: Re: Link between Aspergerís and creative writing. Reply with quote

MarchHare wrote:
I have Aspergerís Syndrome.

I want to write. Specifically, fiction.

I know all the mechanics of good writing.

But I cannot generate ideas. Therefore I donít write.

Can anyone confirm that this is a common situation for Aspies, that Aspies are not found in any great numbers in the ranks of writers?
If you seem to think Iím banging my head against a wall, I may forget the idea of wanting to write.

But otherwise Ė if you consider my thinking to be flawed - Iíll look for other reasons for my inability. On that angle, you might have some ideas too.

Oh, and Iím 72, if that matters.


I am also 72. I write essays by the hundreds and thousands and post them on the Web in various places. I generate my ideas by having imaginary dialogs with other folks (of varying views and opinions). If you can imagine a conversation or argument or encounter you can transcribe it verbally.

Can you -tell- a story, as if you were entertaining a child? Then you should be able to write it down. Try making up stories and pretending you are entertaining a child or an audience. Be a raconteur. If you can do this you should be able to write some fiction. It might not be great fiction perhaps, but you possibly can break through your writer's block.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Inventor wrote:
Write, it cures writers block. The Greatest fiction of all time, book one, chapter one, line one, will stop anyone dead in their tracks, we learn from writing, and the first thing is haul the garbage, write fifty pages, it does not matter about what, it is something new, thoughts flowing outward. Once the flow starts, once past the garbage, you might get a good middle for a chapter, and it will tell you where the beginning and ends are.

Chapters are a series of short stories which each must stand alone, and all tell a story.

Characters are best stolen from real life, truth is stranger than fiction.

Then go through and strike out everything that does not carry the story or develop the characters. It brings focus, and then rebuild the story, adding strong parts, then edit some more. Most books have more words than story, as story and characters increase, it is a better read.

Play with your characters and let them lead, see through their eyes, look into their motives, and with three people in the room and something, write the story from the point of view of each, and the result can merge into showing all three points of view in one story.

Be a word killer, whack filler words, if it works without it, it is gone.

Writing is a lot of work, and rewriting. Since we can write more than publish, use it, get to turning out ten pages a day, most to be tossed, but one good line, one idea that comes, gets caught, and can be reused.

Ten pages a day is 3500 a year, and out of that maybe 10% is worth keeping, and if it makes a book a year, that is good for a writer.

Research, do not take your word for it, check your work, add learning by reading. Science Fiction started as science educational.

It helps to be obsessive.


This is great, and I'm certain it works marvellously for some people.

However, to my way of thinking, "the thought is antecedent to the deed" or put another way, before you can write a single word, the word must first be in your head, no?

If I'm correct, that's my stumbling block. The words with which the idea is described simply aren't there. That was why I wondered if it's maybe an Aspie thing and if I'd be better off forgetting about being creative.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 3:41 am    Post subject: Re: Link between Aspergerís and creative writing. Reply with quote

ruveyn wrote:


I am also 72. I write essays by the hundreds and thousands and post them on the Web in various places. I generate my ideas by having imaginary dialogs with other folks (of varying views and opinions). If you can imagine a conversation or argument or encounter you can transcribe it verbally.

Can you -tell- a story, as if you were entertaining a child? Then you should be able to write it down. Try making up stories and pretending you are entertaining a child or an audience. Be a raconteur. If you can do this you should be able to write some fiction. It might not be great fiction perhaps, but you possibly can break through your writer's block.

ruveyn


Thanks. This looks promising. Right now I'm being called for a meal but I'll get back to this idea of yours and see how I go.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 3:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't say I have problems being creative. Writing fiction just isn't a good outlet for my creativity.

There is such a thing as creative non-fiction, and that I can do, no problem. I have other creative outlets also, that aren't writing, like photography. (But writing is my biggest one.)

I do not consider myself, overall, a creative person, but I wouldn't say I'm totally lacking in creativity, either. Just because I can't write a novel doesn't mean I'm not creative.
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