Hyposensitivity not being mentioned ?

Page 1 of 2 [ 18 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next

vivinator
Deinonychus
Deinonychus

User avatar

Joined: 15 Nov 2008
Age: 43
Gender: Male
Posts: 353
Location: MD

18 Apr 2009, 10:37 pm

I read a lot about AS'ers sensory problems but it seems like it's usually with hypersensitivity, not hypo Anyone else noticed this?
oh hypo is being undersensitive.


_________________
All men are frauds. The only difference between them is that some admit it. I myself deny it.

-HL Mencken


-as of now official dx is ADHD (inattentive type) but said ADD (314.00) on the dx paper, PDD-NOS and was told looks like I have NLD


pensieve
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 18 Nov 2008
Age: 38
Gender: Female
Posts: 8,204
Location: Sydney, Australia

18 Apr 2009, 11:28 pm

It is sometimes mentioned. First time I heard about hyposensitivity was in Lorna Wing's book The Autistic Spectrum. I was jealous because I wish I couldn't feel pain. Hypersensitivity by 100000 here. I'm currently on pain meds it's that bad.



2ukenkerl
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 19 Jul 2007
Age: 63
Gender: Male
Posts: 6,231

18 Apr 2009, 11:28 pm

vivinator wrote:
I read a lot about AS'ers sensory problems but it seems like it's usually with hypersensitivity, not hypo Anyone else noticed this?
oh hypo is being undersensitive.


I am hypOsensitive to cold and some pain. I believe that is rather common. I am hypERsensitive to sound, and light. And I HAVE seen both mentioned



Prim8
Blue Jay
Blue Jay

User avatar

Joined: 8 Apr 2009
Age: 48
Gender: Female
Posts: 75
Location: Queensland, Australia

19 Apr 2009, 5:14 am

I am hyposensitive to pain, although this seems to have lessened over the last 5 years or so for some reason?! When I was 19 I took part in someone's PhD study on pain perception in males and females and I was apparently able to withstand more pain than most of the male subjects. As a child I could not taste my food if it was mixed up together the way most people tend to put food onto their fork. I still prefer to eat things on my plate individually. My sense of smell is generally lacking, but I always put that down to having, until recently, been a smoker. I do not seem to feel the cold as much as those around me either.


_________________
"Burn brightly without burning out" -Richard K. Biggs


LostInSpace
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 16 Apr 2007
Age: 39
Gender: Female
Posts: 2,617
Location: Dixie

19 Apr 2009, 7:20 am

I am hyposensitive to pain. When I was a kid, my appendix ruptured and went untreated for a full week, even after I was hospitalized for severe dehydration and fever, because no one knew I was in any pain (I was in pain, but I just didn't talk about it because I could ignore it). They finally discovered it on a CT scan. The nurses would joke that if I were ever pregnant, the baby would probably be halfway out before I realized I was in labor. I also had a ruptured ear drum that was discovered entirely by accident during a routine visit to the doctor's office, and when I was a baby, my parents would only learn about ear infections when they took me to the doctor for something else, like diaper rash. So hyposensitivity to pain is not always a good thing.


_________________
Not all those who wander are lost... but I generally am.


LostInSpace
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 16 Apr 2007
Age: 39
Gender: Female
Posts: 2,617
Location: Dixie

19 Apr 2009, 7:21 am

Prim8 wrote:
I am hyposensitive to pain, although this seems to have lessened over the last 5 years or so for some reason?! When I was 19 I took part in someone's PhD study on pain perception in males and females and I was apparently able to withstand more pain than most of the male subjects.


Interestingly, women do have higher pain tolerance than men in general. I guess it is because we have to go through labor, not to mention menstrual cramps every month.


_________________
Not all those who wander are lost... but I generally am.


2ukenkerl
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 19 Jul 2007
Age: 63
Gender: Male
Posts: 6,231

19 Apr 2009, 9:15 am

LostInSpace wrote:
Prim8 wrote:
I am hyposensitive to pain, although this seems to have lessened over the last 5 years or so for some reason?! When I was 19 I took part in someone's PhD study on pain perception in males and females and I was apparently able to withstand more pain than most of the male subjects.


Interestingly, women do have higher pain tolerance than men in general. I guess it is because we have to go through labor, not to mention menstrual cramps every month.


GEE, I NEVER saw that! Most women I have known have been MORE sensitive to pain. Also, society used to PROTECT them from a lot of it. As for labor, MANY women DON'T really go through the true pain of labor! MANY have had one of two VERY dangerous procedures done to avoid it! One is called ceasarean.(It is a full surgical operation that has all the normal possible problems.) It avoids labor COMPLETELY! The OTHER is an "intradural"(Which, as I understand it, COULD leave the mother paralyzed for life, since the pain killer is shot near the spinal cord.)! It NUMBS the area a LOT. Still, it is certainly unfair to compare the two sexes based on that. Women and babies are built to make the process easier. CERTAINLY not easy, but easiER!

BTW many women that DO go through full labor try a number of tricks to mitigate the pain, and most STILL suffer. With the stories I have heard, it amazes me that they are willing to go through it so much, or even have the first child. Still, I have heard stories of women having children with almost no pain, and the implication is also with no pain killers. Some of those stories have been from the mothers in question.

Don't get me wrong though. At times I am sure that, given the SAME circumstances, I would have taken the same option at least once.

YET, to hear some feminists talk, you would think that they felt NOTHING, with all nerves firing violently, and that they somehow knew that a man could never have so much pain without dying.

As for mentruation in general, I guess that that can't be that bad on average because some women don't even realize it is happening, and I haven't heard anyone mention it. I certainly can't speak about MENSTRUAL cramps, but we CAN certainly have cramps, etc... It isn't like either sex is devoid of pain. And I have had hernias, kidney punches(A peraon at one school I went to did them almost as a trademark), and been kicked in the testicles, so I am not without experience to pain in that general area in males.

BTW pensieve, you are, of course, exagerating. If you were THAT sensitive to pain, you probably wouldn't even be able to walk. Still, it is interesting to note that pensieve is a WOMAN!



2ukenkerl
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 19 Jul 2007
Age: 63
Gender: Male
Posts: 6,231

19 Apr 2009, 10:03 am

LostInSpace wrote:
2ukenkerl wrote:
Still, it is interesting to note that pensieve is a WOMAN!


Scientific studies have shown that *on average* women have a higher pain tolerance- of course individual people may vary.


Still, it IS interesting that my experiences haven't born that out. Outside of actual observation, how can "scientific studies" do anything? There IS a nerve conductivity test, brainwaves, etc... But we are still talking about average perception. AND, I always felt the talk about labor was a rather dumb and fallacious observation and, now that I think about it, it is even more so. After all, you KNOW that women having procedures, like the two I mentioned, when they don't absolutely HAVE to have them(Admittedly, cesarean is sometimes likely to be needed.) must be really terrified of having pain. Still, babies are born small and flexible, and woman have an organ to facilitate that, and there is no equivalent organ in males. Also, in theory, no two births would be identical. So even the same woman could concievably perceive them differently. I ALSO didn't speak of episiotomies. The theory is that, sometimes, they might make things easier.

If people want to compare the two sexes, pain wise, maybe they should use skin, muscle injuries, general organs, like heart, etc... THEN we can say that, even if things are a bit different, things are as they are. Even THEN, who knows. I'll tell you something that I found that could save your life some day! It is said that women can't feel heart attacks many times. Actually, that is not true. For whatever reason, men tend to feel them in the standard way, chest! Women tend to feel them as back pain. If you feel a cutting pain in your back, especially radiating towards, or on, the left hand side. you might want to get checked. BTW I had a ripped aorta and, if it hurt any less, or I wasn't a little dizzy, I wouldn't have bothered getting checked. As for hernias, I COULD have had my umbilical hernia fixed, but chose not to because it didn't hurt THAT much.

Oh well, truth be known, neither of us can truly know how the other perceives pain. All I care about is if MY pain is commensurate with NEED. I recently hurt my lower arm. I decided to not exercise for a week. That was NOT because I was in pain, but because I thought the pain might signify damage that I didn't want to exacerbate by putting any extra strain on it. I HOPE that my perception was right. I DID start working out in SPITE of it yesterday, and today the pain is GONE.



Asterisp
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 15 Dec 2007
Age: 43
Gender: Male
Posts: 898
Location: Netherlands

19 Apr 2009, 10:19 am

Some pain I can ignore, but not all kinds.

Some wounds I do not notice, until I see them. Also when I was one vacation I had an infection in my foot, I cut the infection out myself without anaesthetic but had only a little bit of pain.

On the other hand, when the surgeon does the cutting it can hurt a lot.

Same with warmth. I can sleep in a winter sleeping bag during summer when it is 40 degrees C outside. On other occasions I can be feeling hot when my sleeping room is 30 degrees with a thin sheet on me.



LostInSpace
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 16 Apr 2007
Age: 39
Gender: Female
Posts: 2,617
Location: Dixie

19 Apr 2009, 10:24 am

2ukenkerl wrote:
Still, it IS interesting that my experiences haven't born that out. Outside of actual observation, how can "scientific studies" do anything? There IS a nerve conductivity test, brainwaves, etc... But we are still talking about average perception. AND, I always felt the talk about labor was a rather dumb and fallacious observation and, now that I think about it, it is even more so. After all, you KNOW that women having procedures, like the two I mentioned, when they don't absolutely HAVE to have them(Admittedly, cesarean is sometimes likely to be needed.) must be really terrified of having pain. Still, babies are born small and flexible, and woman have an organ to facilitate that, and there is no equivalent organ in males.


Yeah, but epidurals and c-sections are only recent changes (also, c-sections are not done to avoid pain- they are done when the fetus is in danger and needs to come out right away). From the time we evolved until sometime during the last century, women have been having children naturally, or maybe with the aid of some medicinal plants. While we were evolving our modern pain receptors, we were still experiencing the full pain of childbirth.

Also, although we are designed to have children, it's not like it is an easy process by any means (otherwise so many women and children wouldn't have died during childbirth). Even with modern medicine, giving birth can *still* be very dangerous. When we started walking upright, we lost the ability to give birth easily due to modifications to the pelvis.
Babies are born small, but the hole they come out through is tiny until it stretches during childbirth, and babies are not really all that flexible- the head is large and the shoulders are also a significant obstacle. Imagine squeezing a bowling ball through a hole that started out the size of a quarter. Now imagine that the hole is in an area of your anatomy dense with nerve endings. Plenty of women describe giving birth as the most painful experience of their lives- no wonder so many want epidurals. I wouldn't call it "terrified of having pain" so much as "terrified of experiencing the worst pain of their lives"- and who wouldn't want to avoid that? I mean, if someone said to you, "Would you rather be kicked in the genitals repeatedly for the next 10 or more hours, or get a shot in your spinal cord?" you might have to think about it.


_________________
Not all those who wander are lost... but I generally am.


2ukenkerl
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 19 Jul 2007
Age: 63
Gender: Male
Posts: 6,231

19 Apr 2009, 11:10 am

LostInSpace wrote:
2ukenkerl wrote:
Still, it IS interesting that my experiences haven't born that out. Outside of actual observation, how can "scientific studies" do anything? There IS a nerve conductivity test, brainwaves, etc... But we are still talking about average perception. AND, I always felt the talk about labor was a rather dumb and fallacious observation and, now that I think about it, it is even more so. After all, you KNOW that women having procedures, like the two I mentioned, when they don't absolutely HAVE to have them(Admittedly, cesarean is sometimes likely to be needed.) must be really terrified of having pain. Still, babies are born small and flexible, and woman have an organ to facilitate that, and there is no equivalent organ in males.


Yeah, but epidurals and c-sections are only recent changes (also, c-sections are not done to avoid pain- they are done when the fetus is in danger and needs to come out right away). From the time we evolved until sometime during the last century, women have been having children naturally, or maybe with the aid of some medicinal plants. While we were evolving our modern pain receptors, we were still experiencing the full pain of childbirth.


You're certainly right about that, but the idea of comparing sexes perceptions of pain based on this is relatively new apparently. Women were called "the weaker sex", and that was meant in EVERY way. GRANTED, a fair bit of that was pure sexism, but we may never truly know. Frankly, I think each sex has a bigger potential than the other in various areas, at least as a group.

LostInSpace wrote:
Also, although we are designed to have children, it's not like it is an easy process by any means (otherwise so many women and children wouldn't have died during childbirth). Even with modern medicine, giving birth can *still* be very dangerous. When we started walking upright, we lost the ability to give birth easily due to modifications to the pelvis.
Babies are born small, but the hole they come out through is tiny until it stretches during childbirth, and babies are not really all that flexible- the head is large and the shoulders are also a significant obstacle. Imagine squeezing a bowling ball through a hole that started out the size of a quarter. Now imagine that the hole is in an area of your anatomy dense with nerve endings. Plenty of women describe giving birth as the most painful experience of their lives- no wonder so many want epidurals. I wouldn't call it "terrified of having pain" so much as "terrified of experiencing the worst pain of their lives"- and who wouldn't want to avoid that? I mean, if someone said to you, "Would you rather be kicked in the genitals repeatedly for the next 10 or more hours, or get a shot in your spinal cord?" you might have to think about it.


Well, I never said it was easy. In fact, I made a point to say it wasn't. And some women DO have oit done to avoid pain. There have even been complaints about it being over done.

As for the part about someone kicking my genitals, if they tried THAT, I would probably do far worse to them. I chased the last kid to successfully do that around a school. He is lucky that I was busy, and didn't know his name! ALSO, the school didn't block HIM, but they blocked ME. It was some stupid policy about kids not being around classrooms during lunch. After that, however, one person apparently TRIED to do that with me(He hit me with a Tsquare.), and my class was SHOCKED when I didn't react(It happened in front of my drafting class)! He missed by several inches, and didn't hurt me one bit. Now, if he tried that AGAIN.... His reaction made me think that he was just an idiot that was TRYING to do that. He was as shocked as the others that I didn't react. I mean it wasn't even in the groin! It was too high. COME ON! Maybe he thought I was wearing a cup or something, and didn't want to risk it.

I certainly wouldn't like the idea of an epidural. NOT because off the potential pain, but because of the potential problems.



KingdomOfRats
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 31 Oct 2005
Age: 40
Gender: Female
Posts: 4,833
Location: f'ton,manchester UK

19 Apr 2009, 11:26 am

am have an atypical pain threshold-eg,completely hyposensitive to pain,but with very deep inside types of pain such as trigeminal neuralgia, headache/migraine type stuff and it's painkillers out.
have only ever lived with one autie who was not hyposensitive to pain,he was the complete opposite.


_________________
>severely autistic.
>>the residential autist; http://theresidentialautist.blogspot.co.uk
blogging from the view of an ex institutionalised autism/ID activist now in community care.
>>>help to keep bullying off our community,report it!


2ukenkerl
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 19 Jul 2007
Age: 63
Gender: Male
Posts: 6,231

19 Apr 2009, 1:16 pm

KingdomOfRats wrote:
am have an atypical pain threshold-eg,completely hyposensitive to pain,but with very deep inside types of pain such as trigeminal neuralgia, headache/migraine type stuff and it's painkillers out.
have only ever lived with one autie who was not hyposensitive to pain,he was the complete opposite.


WOW, I'm sorry to hear you have to deall with that kind of pain. I am not sure about what you really say outside of that, but OTC painkillers and a number of prescribed ones don't work with me anyway.



MONKEY
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 3 Jan 2009
Age: 31
Gender: Female
Posts: 9,896
Location: Stoke, England (sometimes :P)

19 Apr 2009, 4:12 pm

I'm not sure if I'm hyposensitive to anything. I'm either hypersensitive or just average.
And I have a low tolerance to pain, I am not hyposenstitive in those areas at all!


_________________
What film do atheists watch on Christmas?
Coincidence on 34th street.


unreal3x
Deinonychus
Deinonychus

User avatar

Joined: 17 Nov 2008
Age: 34
Gender: Male
Posts: 355

19 Apr 2009, 11:55 pm

I am hypOsensitive to cold, infact even extreme cold, though ofcourse that could lead to hyp 8O thermia.

And I am more bothered by a jacket that does not fit or feel right, than the cold.



pensieve
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 18 Nov 2008
Age: 38
Gender: Female
Posts: 8,204
Location: Sydney, Australia

20 Apr 2009, 12:15 am

2ukenkerl wrote:
MANY women DON'T really go through the true pain of labor! MANY have had one of two VERY dangerous procedures done to avoid it! One is called ceasarean.(It is a full surgical operation that has all the normal possible problems.) It avoids labor COMPLETELY!

My mum had a ceasarean, because without it I would have, you know died.
2ukenkerl wrote:
As for mentruation in general, I guess that that can't be that bad on average because some women don't even realize it is happening, and I haven't heard anyone mention it. I certainly can't speak about MENSTRUAL cramps, but we CAN certainly have cramps, etc... It isn't like either sex is devoid of pain. And I have had hernias, kidney punches(A peraon at one school I went to did them almost as a trademark), and been kicked in the testicles, so I am not without experience to pain in that general area in males.

Oh yeah not bad at all, how about those suffering from primary dysmennorrhea and endometriosis?
2ukenkerl wrote:
BTW pensieve, you are, of course, exagerating. If you were THAT sensitive to pain, you probably wouldn't even be able to walk. Still, it is interesting to note that pensieve is a WOMAN!

How would you know? Would you know that once every month since I was 14-15 I would literally beg for death from having primary dysmennorrhea (google it). I took a dangerously high amount of codeine just to get rid of the pain that I'm sick of having.
I don't have that pain every day but I do get it a few days a month, and being hypersensitive to pain doesn't help. No man can tell me what they know what PD feels like. Not many women even know.
And what's that - a dig at my physical appearance. I don't look like a woman? I couldn't give a s**t.