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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 4:32 am    Post subject: MMPI welsh code? Reply with quote

how do i decode what this means? i had it done on a psych report in 06. I want to know what it means. it says a bunch of randomness like. 8**6*270"13'49+-/5: F888"'+-/L:K#
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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No help.

But, the numbers represent the scoring in regards to certain mental disorders; if you were diagnosed with something back in '06, these would be taken into account.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also had one done recently and got the code back with a bunch of interpretive language describing somatic and cognitive symptoms.

my code is 13 40'28+67-/59

I hope next week my therapist can explain it to me. I'm kind of annoyed that the Welsh coding system is so complicated.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe this can give you more information:

MMPI Welsh Code
with the scales composition explained here:
MMPI
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to wonder why they would even put that on your psychiatric report. I guess Canadian psychiatrists are weird.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thank you, Scientist Heart

I had read those and a lot more yesterday, but for some reason they didn't make sense. now coming back to it I think I see the pattern better. it looks like the numbers are coded to the test scales and results are ordered by significance, so my highest would be:

1 Hs Hypochondriasis Concern with bodily symptoms
3 Hy Hysteria Awareness of problems and vulnerabilities
4 Pd Psychopathic Deviate Conflict, struggle, anger, respect for society's rules
0 Si Social Introversion People orientation

I think the ' that follows 0 means all the above falls into the 70-79 pt. range, which is clinically significant.

the 1 and 3 pair and the 4 and 0 pair are underlined, so each item in a pair is within a point of each other.

then comes:

2 D Depression Depressive Symptoms
8 Sc Schizophrenia Odd thinking and social alienation

with a + following, so they'd be in the 65-69 pt. range, which I think is also considered clinically significant.

6 Pa Paranoia Level of trust, suspiciousness, sensitivity
7 Pt Psychasthenia Worry, Anxiety, tension, doubts, obsessiveness

followed by - which puts them in the 60-64 pt range, and the / directly following puts the 5 and 9 into the range below / which is 40-49 pts.

5 MF Masculinity/Femininity Stereotypical masculine or feminine interests/behaviors
9 Ma Hypomania Level of excitability

I also ran across this word doc last night that helped make sense of the scores themselves. looks like someone's class notes:
http://jennifersmckelvey.com/Documents/Class%20Notes-MMPI.doc

based on what she wrote, I'm a withdrawn hysterical hypochondriac psychopath Laughing my report says I answered in a straightforward and honest manner and I don't see validity scales included, so the neuropsychologist must have decided they weren't relevant beyond noting that I was honest.

so, my back pain, IBS and CFS could in part account for elevated scale 1 but I wonder if sensory issues would also figure into it. clinically, being in the highest range means I "use bodily complaints to avoid emotional situations" and use it to manipulate others.

scale 3 (hysteria) doesn't make much sense because I've always felt out of step and immature and clueless, but I try to do what I think is right. I don't feel superior. I do feel dissatisfied because I feel like I should have done better in life.

scale 4 (psycopath) seems easier to understand. I am fighting. I'm fighting my ex, who's a douchebag and I'm fighting other people's expectations and trying to figure out how to defend myself without being a b***h. I'm an idealist who has a hard time accepting that other people choose not to have ideals.

low 5 doesn't seem mysterious. I don't relate to girly girls. I prefer to view male and female as essentially equal despite the different biological imperatives.

low 9 isn't a mystery either. I hate spontaneity and I tire easily. the more stress I'm under the faster I tire out.

sorry for the dissection, but I'm kind of excited that it made sense all of a sudden. I can see how messed up I am but it's not really a surprise given my background. nice thing in the report is being recognized for sticking with therapy which apparently is something people with this scale code don't typically do.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Xelebes wrote:
I have to wonder why they would even put that on your psychiatric report. I guess Canadian psychiatrists are weird.
yeah, personally I'd rather see a graph. I guess it's a shorthand that once you get the hang of is easy to interpret.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bhetti wrote:
Xelebes wrote:
I have to wonder why they would even put that on your psychiatric report. I guess Canadian psychiatrists are weird.
yeah, personally I'd rather see a graph. I guess it's a shorthand that once you get the hang of is easy to interpret.


We don't even get a graph. It's a writeup with statistics printed in sentence form. IT's like the psychiatrists are trying to say that they are literate but possibly innumerate!
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bhetti wrote:
thank you, Scientist Heart

I had read those and a lot more yesterday, but for some reason they didn't make sense. now coming back to it I think I see the pattern better.
You're welcome! Good that it makes more sense to you now.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Xelebes wrote:
I have to wonder why they would even put that on your psychiatric report. I guess Canadian psychiatrists are weird.
Do they use this system in Canada, too?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They don't use the Welsh Code when they communicate diagnoses to other psychiatrists. They actually spell it out.

Just like they don't tell you what your IQ is (well they do, just that you have to do some hard math in your head to figure it out.)
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also got 2 paragraphs of interpretation, but I had a driving need to know what it was based on.

it says that my code type has weak insight into the psychological factors that underlie their somatic and cognitive symptoms.

I guess I worry a lot about my body being so weird and having so much physical pain, yet people with intense physical pain usually score lower than I did, so I have a psychotic obsession with it, I guess Smile

also says a bunch of other stuff like being psychologically frail, and points out a couple of behaviors atypical for the code type.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Psycologically frail" does not sound like terminology that I'd want my psychologist using on anyone.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Xelebes wrote:
"Psycologically frail" does not sound like terminology that I'd want my psychologist using on anyone.
the fact is, though, that after decades of domestic abuse + living in an abusive cult for 20 years, I am psychologically frail. 6 years of therapy has accomplished much healing, but I still have far to go.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't use that term, if I were a psychologist. It sounds like it's some kind of a permanent thing. I'd probably use something like, "lack of resilience; deficient coping skills," because that's exactly what it is--you are encountering/have encountered situations you don't have the emotional/cognitive equipment to deal with; and because such skills can be learned, it most certainly is not a permanent condition.
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