Which is better Community College or University?

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16 Jun 2009, 11:46 am

I'm not talking about academics. I want to know which one is less stressful and gives ASD students more room to think about how to thrive and survive. Right now my son is at a community college. He's quickly going through the classes he can use and needs what the university offers but he thinks he might be overwhelmed by everything at the university. He still has a lot to learn about himself and what works with his temperament. The community college has been a good place for that.

Maybe he'll end up taking every single class the community college offers as he majors in what he really needs the most at the moment- ASD 101.


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16 Jun 2009, 12:08 pm

Community college costs less and offers lots more support, tutoring, accommocations for persons with disabilitiese. Better options for dropping classes if needed. Also, they now have way better systems for doing the first two years at comm college and then being able to transfer more easily to a state school.

I did nursing, which as a major at a community college crams the same amount of info and topics and clinical into 2 yrs as a 4yr college puts into 4 (less theory I guess, but the same other stuff) so more stressful probably. Depends. I think that may be unique among foci in that sense.

Other majors are likely different.

depends on his goal. Does he want the "college experience" with the dorms and the philosophy class and the tree-lined campus, or does he have a specific vocational goal? Can he meet with a career counselor to define the goals and his strengths? Does he want to live at home or try living a bit farther away? I went in the next county over. Just the right amount of freedom and family support still close by.

I hope that helps. Majors and schools can always be changed. Best wishes to you both.



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16 Jun 2009, 12:38 pm

riverotter wrote:
Community college costs less and offers lots more support, tutoring, accommocations for persons with disabilitiese. Better options for dropping classes if needed. Also, they now have way better systems for doing the first two years at comm college and then being able to transfer more easily to a state school.

I did nursing, which as a major at a community college crams the same amount of info and topics and clinical into 2 yrs as a 4yr college puts into 4 (less theory I guess, but the same other stuff) so more stressful probably. Depends. I think that may be unique among foci in that sense.

Other majors are likely different.

depends on his goal. Does he want the "college experience" with the dorms and the philosophy class and the tree-lined campus, or does he have a specific vocational goal? Can he meet with a career counselor to define the goals and his strengths? Does he want to live at home or try living a bit farther away? I went in the next county over. Just the right amount of freedom and family support still close by.

I hope that helps. Majors and schools can always be changed. Best wishes to you both.


Your reply made me feel better about him staying at the community college. They are very helpful. You're also right about the cost! He really likes the community atmosphere. He doesn't want a college experience as much as just learning the NT dance of life, how to know intuitively what to do in different situations. The community college is a better place for that than hanging out at a mall.

He is into math and science, though. His physics teacher told him that if he just kept taking harder and harder math and science classes, pretty soon there were be nothing but his kind of people left in the upper classes but, unfortunately that would be at a university. He isn't really seeking a degree. He hopes to find others like him who might wind up thinking up some good ideas in engineering fields and invent things or develop things on their own terms.

I wonder how many ASD people who have so much to offer, fall through the cracks because they can't handle university life. I was even thinking, last night, it would be cool if someone started a non-credited harder science class at the community college which would attract people like my son to create the kind of educational experience where they would thrive. The credits wouldn't be important if they don't care about getting degrees.


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16 Jun 2009, 2:25 pm

+1 for community colleges.

They also tend to be more laid back and informal compared to some colleges/universities.

However, if you want more than a 2-year degree, sooner or later you'll have to find a good college/university for his needs.



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16 Jun 2009, 3:38 pm

I sent my daughter to community college - she was there for about 3 years. The first year she studied things she liked (art, mostly) and the second two years she went after a degree. It gave her plenty of time to mature (which she needed) and to learn to get herself from point "A" to point "B" without someone having to tell her to do so or to do it with her. She did work-study there, little jobs here and there, that gave her confidence and something more important than the degree studies - a viable resume! She's been working short-term jobs since then, saving up to pay for the rest of her education. (Ok, actually, I didn't "send" her - it is just up the road and they GAVE her money to go there, I just provided room and board.) Thankfully, she has no debts to her name and a little bit in the bank, so now that I see her getting antsy and bored with the 9-5 world I think it'll be easier for her to go back and be serious about finishing up a 4 year (or more) degree in the field(s) of her choice.

Four year schools are fine, if you have the right fit. I work at one that's got over 25,000 students and I wouldn't dream of having my daughter come here just because of the way this campus is organized. Knowing her, she'd do better in a much smaller, personal school. But I've known a few Aspies in my days here and they came and did just fine, and went on to find work (from what I hear).

I also went to community college, many decades ago. I barely functioned there (no support, the diagnosis did not exist at the time), but I did stay for a few years. I then tried a four year school and was ripped to shreds. Was several more decades before I went back and tried it again. It does depend on the university and on the Aspie, though. We're not all cut from the same cookie-cutter. Some of us aren't even cookies. :wink:



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16 Jun 2009, 3:45 pm

zer0netgain wrote:
+1 for community colleges.

They also tend to be more laid back and informal compared to some colleges/universities.

However, if you want more than a 2-year degree, sooner or later you'll have to find a good college/university for his needs.


I was too anxious to even try to go to a university but, now. even at my age, sometimes I take a class at a community college, just to learn. When my husband started going to a university, he was overwhelmed and too spacey to jump through all their hoops but that was back when he, like a lot of people, knew more about computer science than the classes that were offered. He and others at the college mentored each other and learned what they needed to learn without degrees. It was a natural way of learning.

Those days are gone. My son will just have to keep putting one foot in front of the other and just see how far he can go.


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16 Jun 2009, 3:46 pm

I go to community college and LOVE IT!

It is very fun and the professors
love to talk. You will never know who will be in your classes.

Which is better? A class with 30 students or a class with 350 students?


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16 Jun 2009, 3:50 pm

AnonymousAnonymous wrote:
I go to community college and LOVE IT!

It is very fun and the professors
love to talk. You will never know who will be in your classes.

Which is better? A class with 30 students or a class with 350 students?


That depends. If the class if full of very bright, well-educated people and has a really good, talented instructor, 350 is no problem. If you have a class of 30 who are barely functionally literate (and yes,they can get into community college) with an instructor who's awful and 20 years out of date, or worse, it's hell. Been in both situations. I'd rather have the bright with quality instructor over class size any day. Ideally, it'd be a class of 15 people who were brighter and more educated than am I - with a really good instructor, that would be a blast!



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16 Jun 2009, 3:52 pm

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I sent my daughter to community college - she was there for about 3 years. The first year she studied things she liked (art, mostly) and the second two years she went after a degree. It gave her plenty of time to mature (which she needed) and to learn to get herself from point "A" to point "B" without someone having to tell her to do so or to do it with her. She did work-study there, little jobs here and there, that gave her confidence and something more important than the degree studies - a viable resume! She's been working short-term jobs since then, saving up to pay for the rest of her education. (Ok, actually, I didn't "send" her - it is just up the road and they GAVE her money to go there, I just provided room and board.) Thankfully, she has no debts to her name and a little bit in the bank, so now that I see her getting antsy and bored with the 9-5 world I think it'll be easier for her to go back and be serious about finishing up a 4 year (or more) degree in the field(s) of her choice.

Four year schools are fine, if you have the right fit. I work at one that's got over 25,000 students and I wouldn't dream of having my daughter come here just because of the way this campus is organized. Knowing her, she'd do better in a much smaller, personal school. But I've known a few Aspies in my days here and they came and did just fine, and went on to find work (from what I hear).

I also went to community college, many decades ago. I barely functioned there (no support, the diagnosis did not exist at the time), but I did stay for a few years. I then tried a four year school and was ripped to shreds. Was several more decades before I went back and tried it again. It does depend on the university and on the Aspie, though. We're not all cut from the same cookie-cutter. Some of us aren't even cookies. :wink:


So your daughter did what my son is doing - learned about herself and continued to mature. I don't know enough about the differences between universities to judge how my son would thrive, except I've heard that Oregon State University treats ASD people pretty good. It's an engineering school.


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16 Jun 2009, 5:23 pm

OregonBecky wrote:
The community college has been a good place for that.



I believe you answered your own question...



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16 Jun 2009, 9:58 pm

Sometimes you have to just go for something and stretch your limits... Otherwise you won't know what you are capable of doing. At least, that's how I've gone through my life.

Granted, I never went to community college. I jumped straight from high school into a large public university, 3000 miles away from home. For me, it was a lifesaver. I was finally able to live my life the way I wanted to. I could have my routines, pursue my interests, and not have my mother breathing down my back. I like my large university because of the inflexibility it has, believe it or not. There are very set requirements for my college's general education, and for my major and minor. It is very organized and clear cut, and there are rules and policies for everything. Because of this, I rarely have to ask people anything, I can just look at stuff and figure it out for myself and if I can't, there's ways I can communicate without having to use a phone or ask people to "change the rules just for me". I hate that. Where I am, I can simply go to classes, communicate with the outside world via email, and study, which is exactly what I need from a school: a place where my interests exist in classes and major requirements, and a set way of doing things.

I am thriving at this school because I can get lost in the shuffle. I know exactly what I need to do in order to do well in my classes (this has always been motivated by me, rather than by my parents who were happy with "did you do your best?" "yes" "then we can't ask for anything more" for low grades/performance.)

Now I am only speaking from my personal experience, because I don't know how to speak about anything else.

My suggestion would be to let your son see if he can attend a local university part-time, and get more involved in the higher level classes. He has been thriving in his community college classes, and obviously wants to learn more. Most universities will have the ability to take courses from them without seeking a full degree, especially if you are not a full-time student. University can be a great thing as a step before full-on independent living, too, if you want to go that route. Dorms are, well, an experience, but having the support to learn living skills is just as important as learning about your subjects. (In my case, I already knew how to cook, clean, and do laundry, etc. but many of my peers didn't.)

Anyhow, this has turned into a rant, but I guess what I want to say is don't hold your son back completely because of your reservations. Give university a try, maybe go slower at first, but it might be a wonderful experience and help him prepare for the rest of his life, while greatly encouraging his interests... for me, there was nothing better.


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16 Jun 2009, 10:17 pm

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Sometimes you have to just go for something and stretch your limits... Otherwise you won't know what you are capable of doing. At least, that's how I've gone through my life.

Granted, I never went to community college. I jumped straight from high school into a large public university, 3000 miles away from home. For me, it was a lifesaver. I was finally able to live my life the way I wanted to. I could have my routines, pursue my interests, and not have my mother breathing down my back. I like my large university because of the inflexibility it has, believe it or not. There are very set requirements for my college's general education, and for my major and minor. It is very organized and clear cut, and there are rules and policies for everything. Because of this, I rarely have to ask people anything, I can just look at stuff and figure it out for myself and if I can't, there's ways I can communicate without having to use a phone or ask people to "change the rules just for me". I hate that. Where I am, I can simply go to classes, communicate with the outside world via email, and study, which is exactly what I need from a school: a place where my interests exist in classes and major requirements, and a set way of doing things.

I am thriving at this school because I can get lost in the shuffle. I know exactly what I need to do in order to do well in my classes (this has always been motivated by me, rather than by my parents who were happy with "did you do your best?" "yes" "then we can't ask for anything more" for low grades/performance.)

Now I am only speaking from my personal experience, because I don't know how to speak about anything else.

My suggestion would be to let your son see if he can attend a local university part-time, and get more involved in the higher level classes. He has been thriving in his community college classes, and obviously wants to learn more. Most universities will have the ability to take courses from them without seeking a full degree, especially if you are not a full-time student. University can be a great thing as a step before full-on independent living, too, if you want to go that route. Dorms are, well, an experience, but having the support to learn living skills is just as important as learning about your subjects. (In my case, I already knew how to cook, clean, and do laundry, etc. but many of my peers didn't.)

Anyhow, this has turned into a rant, but I guess what I want to say is don't hold your son back completely because of your reservations. Give university a try, maybe go slower at first, but it might be a wonderful experience and help him prepare for the rest of his life, while greatly encouraging his interests... for me, there was nothing better.


I worry that I'm too protective but I've seen my son shut down, unable to talk. He has called me from school, barely able to vocalize sometimes because he's so freaked out. Maybe I have these moment hard wired in my brain too much. It's painful for me to think that I can't always be around to be his safety net but I know he has to live his life without me. When to let go and how quickly is the balance I need.

I can't compare it to the parenting I was raised with. My parents should never have been allowed to have kids but, so far, my son wants me to help him keep going and continue to be a safety net.

This thread has me thinking, I'll take him to the university and have him try a class or two. It will be stressful to have to go downtown but that's all in the mix of growing up and becoming more independent.

I have a strong dose of autistic genes in me so my empathy probably often sends me off the deep end with too much sympathy, maybe making me feel more protective and in rescue mode.


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16 Jun 2009, 10:18 pm

There's a middle ground between community college and large university: the teaching college. A university usually implies a that it will have a large campus, a research-focus for the tenure-track faculty (with a limited emphasis on teaching), offer graduate and undergraduate programs, and often have larger class sizes, particularly for introductory level courses. Teaching colleges are usually undergraduate only (or with limited graduate programs), often feature small class sizes (< 30), and require faculty to focus the bulk of their time on teaching. There are many out there that will offer competitive degrees and high-quality education (not to imply you won't get a good education at a community college). A place such as this might be a good place to consider after a 2-year degree at a community college if the university setting doesn't sound like a good fit.

I did my undergraduate degree at a teaching college, and I really did not like the small class sizes, as they did not fit my learning style. Small classes may subject you to class activities and participation, which I found difficult. The worst of these were "ice breakers" and similar time-wasting nonsense. I liked being able to just sit, absorb the material, and leave without interacting with anyone.



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16 Jun 2009, 11:56 pm

Have you looked into the possibility of online classes? (I took classes at two regular colleges and two community colleges, never an online class, so this is just based on what others have told me:) that they are for the very motivated self-starter, and are fast-paced. But I imagine someone with aspie traits would do well in such a scenario.



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17 Jun 2009, 12:10 am

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Have you looked into the possibility of online classes? (I took classes at two regular colleges and two community colleges, never an online class, so this is just based on what others have told me:) that they are for the very motivated self-starter, and are fast-paced. But I imagine someone with aspie traits would do well in such a scenario.


Hmmm. I need to check that out. He does well by learning about himself in community college, navigating through people in the supportive life in community college but he's outgrowing the academic work there. If he did harder university stuff online but went to the community college for the social self awareness, it would take care of both needs.


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17 Jun 2009, 8:10 am

What a terrific suggestion! Many universities offer online courses which may be a good fit for him (my department offers several, but for select courses only, mostly at the introductory level). There are possible pitfalls, however. Lacking the direct interaction with the teacher in the classroom, students can more easily become lost or confused. If they aren't motivated to get help, they may end up suffering in silence and doing poorly in the class. Just something to be aware of - I don't know about him, but I imagine someone with AS or HFA might be reluctant to ask for help if they are lost.