Cornflake
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| MCalavera wrote: | | I'd volunteer for the job, but I know how much I'm loved by the mods here. |
Volunteers automatically eliminate themselves from selection.
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MCalavera
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| Cornflake wrote: | | MCalavera wrote: | | I'd volunteer for the job, but I know how much I'm loved by the mods here. |
Volunteers automatically eliminate themselves from selection. |
Yep, I'm sure it gives you a reason to show you're bigger than me.  |
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Cornflake
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 Oh, FFS grow up will you.
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MCalavera
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You know, you were cooler with me when you weren't a mod. Now you're a meanie.  |
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Cornflake
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There's been no change here, mate. 
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Vexcalibur
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Voicing that you'd like to moderate disqualifies you. But of course, that's not to say that current moderators don't want the job. If they didn't want the job, they wouldn't be doing it. If they didn't like the responsibility (and admit it, power and control) of being a moderator, they would just reply Alex with a no, thank you.
In fact, everyone who learns about the common rule of disqualifying "volunteers" (very common in a lot of amateur forums) and is power hungry just shuts it and pretends to be helpful while interacting with the mods until they decide to give you the power and you can have fun.
I love how these rules become a way to filter out non-hypocrites. Perhaps two-faces are better moderators and thus that's why most sites go with this route. Oh well.
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interacting with the moderators is not necessary in order to become one. sometimes future moderators happen to also have a good eye for problems on the forums so they tend to bring a moderator's attention to issues here and there.
but not all good moderators have done anything of the sort, and some people who do a lot of reporting may not be good moderator material for other reasons. so it's not so simple as having any kind of interaction with the moderators.
people who are suited to moderating tend stand out whether they intend it or not, so nominating oneself is not really necessary. i don't think that too many people really want the job, but some members understand that they are needed as moderators in order to keep the forum running.
considering that there is such a high turnover, i can't say it's something too desirable.
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DW_a_mom
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| Vexcalibur wrote: | Voicing that you'd like to moderate disqualifies you. But of course, that's not to say that current moderators don't want the job. If they didn't want the job, they wouldn't be doing it. If they didn't like the responsibility (and admit it, power and control) of being a moderator, they would just reply Alex with a no, thank you.
In fact, everyone who learns about the common rule of disqualifying "volunteers" (very common in a lot of amateur forums) and is power hungry just shuts it and pretends to be helpful while interacting with the mods until they decide to give you the power and you can have fun.
I love how these rules become a way to filter out non-hypocrites. Perhaps two-faces are better moderators and thus that's why most sites go with this route. Oh well. |
You really underestimate how much of their time and selves moderators give to this place. It is time consuming and emotionally draining. Yes, you get something back from it, but it isn't what you think it is: it is the simple satisfaction of knowing you are contributing to something bigger than yourself.
Many active members feel a sense of responsibility to this board, and when someone asks you to give back to it by becoming a moderator, it is hard to say no. Moderators are people who care about this place, and if called to do "their turn," they are usually the kind of people who will, although not everyone is in a position to add onto their life load, and then they should say "no."
It is too bad there aren't good jobs for people who don't have the temperament to be moderators, because I do think we have a lot of members who would be sincere in simply being willing to do their share for a place they care about.
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Vexcalibur
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| DW_a_mom wrote: | | Vexcalibur wrote: | Voicing that you'd like to moderate disqualifies you. But of course, that's not to say that current moderators don't want the job. If they didn't want the job, they wouldn't be doing it. If they didn't like the responsibility (and admit it, power and control) of being a moderator, they would just reply Alex with a no, thank you.
In fact, everyone who learns about the common rule of disqualifying "volunteers" (very common in a lot of amateur forums) and is power hungry just shuts it and pretends to be helpful while interacting with the mods until they decide to give you the power and you can have fun.
I love how these rules become a way to filter out non-hypocrites. Perhaps two-faces are better moderators and thus that's why most sites go with this route. Oh well. |
You really underestimate how much of their time and selves moderators give to this place. It is time consuming and emotionally draining. |
I never said they don't put time up or drain their emotions on it. BTW, I moderated and moderate sites myself.
The point is that it is quite silly that it is not being power hungry what excludes you from being a moderator, but it is admitting so. Which is a great rule... if the objective is to filter out non-hypocrites.
I am not criticizing the job of the current moderators. As I voiced already, my philosophy is that whatever they do cannot affect me, so I don't really care. What I am criticizing is the rule against not volunteering or voicing that you'd like to be a moderator, because it really looks like a very silly rule the more I think about it.
To embrace your view and use it into my argument: Do you really think that none the people that offer themselves want to help the site and clean it? I am pretty sure that some do... Specially in this AS forum I would say it is likely that some of those people who want to help the site are not very aware of the risk to their image towards the site's administration that involves being transparent about their intentions to be mods. I just don't think it should be such a relevant condition. I would judge people on their post history, and whatever feud they have had with individuals in the past instead of in regards to whether or not they volunteered for the job or not.
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hyperlexian
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i think that you are missing the point, Vexcalibur. people who are chosen as mods gave of themselves with no promise of reward and were often selected for the work they were already doing. if mod campaigning was permitted then people would be doing the work with an expectation of reward. they are two entirely different situations. there will always be some people with ulterior motives, but it is really unfair to all mods past/present/future to assume that they are two-faced.
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DW_a_mom
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Vexcaliber, I do think it is unfair to always exclude everyone who mentions that they might be willing to moderate, because different people will have different motivations for raising their hand. When we are clearly running short, for example, it isn't impossible to see someone with the right goals and mindset saying, "oh, I'd be willing to serve!" After all, in the other volunteer work I've done, raising your hand has always been embraced.
But I didn't write the rule, and this is a different medium than a school PTA.
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| Dox47 wrote: | | What is it with you Canadian Vs and being reasonable? |
I can't speak for visagrunt, but it I suppose it helps that I'm a chainsmoking simian inhabited by Morgan Freeman's sentience
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| In every other community I've been involved in, the "volunteers are disqualified" rule is put out there to discourage members from annoying the crap out of people by asking them over and over to be a mod/admin/whatever. |
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Vexcalibur
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A better rule to discourage annoying people is to ban annoying people.
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