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TrueDave
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What was making me concerned is how much I was drinking and how fast. I would usually borrow a movie or tv show from the library. In a single hour long DVD I would drink 8-10 beers. It would usually take me two or sometimes three viewings to get through a movie. Then I would sleep for three hours or so and be up because I felt terrible.
Alcohol just quit working well for me. Now I abuse sleep.
How much do you drink in how long a peroid? When do you know to stop? |
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sinsboldly
Free Range Aspie
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I just wanted to say my 23rd AA aniversary is coming up in a few days.
I was a sleep in the bushes on the side of the highway drunk. I was picked up for drunk and disorderly sleeping in the same amphitheatre that 10 years later I walked with cap and gown to graduate college.
I appreciate the AA program and used it to the best of my ability racking up 23 years sober.
and for that I am truly grateful.
Merle |
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Prof_Pretorius
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That's positively wonderful, Merle !!!
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sinsboldly
Free Range Aspie
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Age: 57
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Location: Oregon, USA
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| Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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| TrueDave wrote: | What was making me concerned is how much I was drinking and how fast. I would usually borrow a movie or tv show from the library. In a single hour long DVD I would drink 8-10 beers. It would usually take me two or sometimes three viewings to get through a movie. Then I would sleep for three hours or so and be up because I felt terrible.
Alcohol just quit working well for me. Now I abuse sleep.
How much do you drink in how long a peroid? When do you know to stop? |
I knew when to stop when I realized I was walking around dead, and I didn't even know it. My life was for the booze and that is what I did with my life. The doing it, the thinking about it the sobering up from it. It got so that I was hiding beer in the fridge ( so it wouldn't get taken by others) so when I came to around 4 in the morning I could drink until I passed out again and wake around 8 and this way I wasn't as anxious at not being able to drink my fill through the day. It all came to a head when someone called me a 'drunk'. I was, of course, but I had never thought of myself as a drunk. It hurt. I recognized something. I found an AA meeting and went and sat there and listened. It made a lot of sense. I did what they told me, I got a kick out of everyone giving a damn. days passed into weeks, and I still did it like they said, months into years. Ten years later I looked up and I had been ten years sober and that was good.
your mileage may vary,
I wish you the best in all you do.
Merle |
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Dokken
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Joined: Oct 12, 2007
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| Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:03 am Post subject: |
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I knew when to stop when I realized I was walking around dead, and I didn't even know it. My life was for the booze and that is what I did with my life. The doing it, the thinking about it the sobering up from it. It got so that I was hiding beer in the fridge ( so it wouldn't get taken by others) so when I came to around 4 in the morning I could drink until I passed out again and wake around 8 and this way I wasn't as anxious at not being able to drink my fill through the day. It all came to a head when someone called me a 'drunk'. I was, of course, but I had never thought of myself as a drunk. It hurt. I recognized something. I found an AA meeting and went and sat there and listened. It made a lot of sense. I did what they told me, I got a kick out of everyone giving a damn. days passed into weeks, and I still did it like they said, months into years. Ten years later I looked up and I had been ten years sober and that was good. |
A mini drunk-a-log, tell how AA saved you, and attempt to recruit all in that short paragraph. Impressive
I'm opposed to AA and any other 12 step cult because they're ineffective. Basically, they don't work. The Success rate of Alcoholics Anonymous is in between 3-5 percent. It has been found by Dr. Brandsma that "AA fared by far the worst of any of the treatment groups. The group assigned to AA had a 68% dropout rate; the insight group had a 42% dropout rate; lay-RBT had a 40% dropout rate; and pro-RBT had a 46% dropout rate." and "AA and an increased rate of binge drinking. After several months of participating in AA, the alcoholics in AA were doing five times as much binge drinking as a control group that got no treatment at all, and nine times as much binge drinking as another group that got Rational Emotive Behavior Therapy. They are teaching people that they are alcoholics who are powerless over alcohol becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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sinsboldly
Free Range Aspie
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Location: Oregon, USA
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| Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:28 am Post subject: |
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| Dokken wrote: | | sinsboldly wrote: |
I knew when to stop when I realized I was walking around dead, and I didn't even know it. My life was for the booze and that is what I did with my life. The doing it, the thinking about it the sobering up from it. It got so that I was hiding beer in the fridge ( so it wouldn't get taken by others) so when I came to around 4 in the morning I could drink until I passed out again and wake around 8 and this way I wasn't as anxious at not being able to drink my fill through the day. It all came to a head when someone called me a 'drunk'. I was, of course, but I had never thought of myself as a drunk. It hurt. I recognized something. I found an AA meeting and went and sat there and listened. It made a lot of sense. I did what they told me, I got a kick out of everyone giving a damn. days passed into weeks, and I still did it like they said, months into years. Ten years later I looked up and I had been ten years sober and that was good. |
A mini drunk-a-log, tell how AA saved you, and attempt to recruit all in that short paragraph. Impressive
I'm opposed to AA and any other 12 step cult because they're ineffective. Basically, they don't work. The Success rate of Alcoholics Anonymous is in between 3-5 percent. It has been found by Dr. Brandsma that "AA fared by far the worst of any of the treatment groups. The group assigned to AA had a 68% dropout rate; the insight group had a 42% dropout rate; lay-RBT had a 40% dropout rate; and pro-RBT had a 46% dropout rate." and "AA and an increased rate of binge drinking. After several months of participating in AA, the alcoholics in AA were doing five times as much binge drinking as a control group that got no treatment at all, and nine times as much binge drinking as another group that got Rational Emotive Behavior Therapy. They are teaching people that they are alcoholics who are powerless over alcohol becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. |
I am an Aspergian Female, too, and the odds of me being and surviving THAT are even smaller.
so sorry AA was demonstrated to not be able to work for you, talk about your self fullfilling prophecy! |
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Sapphix
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| Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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| sinsboldly wrote: | I just wanted to say my 23rd AA aniversary is coming up in a few days.
I was a sleep in the bushes on the side of the highway drunk. I was picked up for drunk and disorderly sleeping in the same amphitheatre that 10 years later I walked with cap and gown to graduate college.
I appreciate the AA program and used it to the best of my ability racking up 23 years sober.
and for that I am truly grateful.
Merle |
Oh - hey Merle. I'm discovering more and more depth to this board every day. DOS is '97, but then a trip into drugs and new DOS '07.
"First it gets better.
Then it gets worse.
Then it gets different.
Then it gets real different."
Don't know about you, but I'm seeing lots of Aspie traits in fellow alcs in the rooms, too. |
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sinsboldly
Free Range Aspie
Joined: Nov 22, 2006
Age: 57
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Location: Oregon, USA
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| Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Sapphix wrote: | | sinsboldly wrote: | I just wanted to say my 23rd AA aniversary is coming up in a few days.
I was a sleep in the bushes on the side of the highway drunk. I was picked up for drunk and disorderly sleeping in the same amphitheatre that 10 years later I walked with cap and gown to graduate college.
I appreciate the AA program and used it to the best of my ability racking up 23 years sober.
and for that I am truly grateful.
Merle |
Oh - hey Merle. I'm discovering more and more depth to this board every day. DOS is '97, but then a trip into drugs and new DOS '07.
"First it gets better.
Then it gets worse.
Then it gets different.
Then it gets real different."
Don't know about you, but I'm seeing lots of Aspie traits in fellow alcs in the rooms, too. |
hello Sappix
It seems we meet in the same places!
I am not certain what aspie traits there may be in alcoholics, but drunk or sober they didn't notice I was strange or different. Probably were pre occupied, eh? I felt the same way hanging out with the flower children and hippies in SanFrancisco, because they never noticed much either. It was those straight people that realized I was 'not right', so I avoided them.
Merle |
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Sapphix
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| Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 5:59 am Post subject: |
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Yes, I spent 10 years trying to figure out why being sober didn't 'cure' my differentness, even in the rooms  |
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sinsboldly
Free Range Aspie
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Age: 57
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Location: Oregon, USA
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| Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 9:19 am Post subject: |
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| Sapphix wrote: | | Yes, I spent 10 years trying to figure out why being sober didn't 'cure' my differentness, even in the rooms |
But in a strange way, they got me to function in 'straight' society much more efficiently with their insistance I was 'not special' and 'just a run of the mill drunk' and such. I didn't see myself as neurologically different, of course, I had no idea, but neither did they. They thought I was like them and I thought they were like me. So I became more like an NT in work ethic and learned how to get jobs and keep jobs and become like them for ten long struggling years. Then I went to college and what a dissonance!
One day I was just doing a usual task and realized that I was almost 60 and I had still not attained my adulthood. I was not 'grown up' and I marveled over that. Two months later I stumbled onto the diagnosis of AS and recognized myself.
AA is what it is, and I am grateful for it.
Merle
Good luck for S.A. in the World Cup against England, Sappix! |
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Dokken
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sinsboldly
Free Range Aspie
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Age: 57
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Location: Oregon, USA
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| Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you for posting the resouces. Alcoholism is a debilitating condition and how ever it can be overcome or dormant is a blessing indeed!
Merle |
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KingdomOfRats
Phoenix
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| Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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am late to this thread,never seem to see the stickies.
anyone else in same situation--alcoholic parents or other relatives?
mum has been an alcoholic for years,and at least two of her sisters were to.
am was moved out by ss because of mums' alcoholism as she is violent and abusive when drunk alcohol [yet completely different when sober]sister moved out to for same reason.
she is drunk every day if she has the money to buy alcohol [it's always tesco value gin],and she also has admitted to having depression for years [untreated],her liver is not in a good way because of the alcohol,she doesn't go for any further liver tests.
alcohol can make very nice people-bad,some say alcohol just brings out what is already there but mum is nothing like what she's like when drunk. |
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sinsboldly
Free Range Aspie
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Location: Oregon, USA
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| Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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| KingdomOfRats wrote: |
alcohol can make very nice people-bad,some say alcohol just brings out what is already there but mum is nothing like what she's like when drunk. |
that's why they call it 'spirits'. I used to be entered by entities when I was drunk, becoming a personality I never had when sober. Alcoholism is a bad business and I have found strict abstainance to be my only defense against it.
all my best,
Merle |
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SpaceStace
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Hey, I just found this sticky!
I'm an alcoholic in recovery for just over 3 years, thanks to AA. I bottomed out, was ready for help and found it in the rooms. It worked for me when nothing else did. I've never felt more at home, and accepted for who I am, and felt like I belonged than in those rooms. The people and the program helped me not just to not drink but to approach life in a way that really works for me infinitely better than before. I encourage everyone who is abusing alcohol or anything to give it a try, and by give it a try I mean whole-heartedly. The worst that could happen is that it doesn't work but you meet some wonderful people and you can try something else (Dokken provided a nice list), having lost nothing.
For those with loved ones who are alcoholics or addicts, Al-Anon I hear is a great support group for that. |
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