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D1nk0
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Well I SURE hope you're not against birth control too. |
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Lurv
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| Pro-choice. I really think a woman should have the choice over her own body, instead of having to give birth to an unwanted child. And a fetus can't be that developed, so I don't think it's the same as murdering someone. |
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pinkbowtiepumps
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| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Pro-choice. Abortion is destroying the possibility for life, sure, but every woman has the right to choose, and many may not be ready for a pregnancy. |
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sojournertruth
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Pro-choice.
A woman should have the right to decide whether or not to donate her bodily functions to another organism for nine months, just like any other human being has the right to decide whether or not to donate a life-saving kidney or life-saving bone marrow. |
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serenity
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:45 am Post subject: |
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| D1nk0 wrote: | | Brittany2907 wrote: | Pro-life.
IMO, no one has the right to kill a living being, whether it being born or un-born. A life is a life, and taking it away is murder.  |
What about the case where the fetus has a lethal genetic disease like Tay-Sachs? Or worse yet, what if it has anencephaly? Which BTW is a truly HORRIFIC birth defect where the baby's brain fails to develop and there's a gaping hole on the top of the head. I consider not aborting an anencephalic fetus to be inhuman since it will die shortly after birth and NEVER actually experience this world since no brain=no conscious thoughts or emotions. |
I gave birth to an anencepalic baby 3 yrs ago, and I carried her to term. I didn't know ( you never do with this birth defect) that the baby has anencephaly until you're 5 or 6 months along. By then, the baby is moving, kicking, and very much alive inside of you. I loved my baby, and I wanted my baby, and I wasn't going to have a late term abortion, when I could just give birth to her naturally. Sometimes they do live for awhile, and it is not horrific. It's a mother's right to choose, and I chose to carry her to term, name her (Brenna), and have a funeral service for her. She was fully developed everywhere else as far as her body was concerned. She was a baby, my baby. Not some horrific tragedy. I bought her an outfit with a little bonnet to cover the part of the head that was missing, and had her picture taken at the hospital after delivery.
I'm not inhumane, I'm a mother that still misses her last born child everyday. |
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D1nk0
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 10:25 am Post subject: |
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| Well serenity, that was your choice-and you made it yourself. But if I knocked a woman up and it turned out that the baby was anencephalic and this was discovered BEFORE the baby was due, I honestly dont think I could attend the birth because I'd be too horrified and disturbed to actually see my own child in a state like that. |
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Purplefluffychainsaw
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 10:37 am Post subject: |
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| serenity wrote: | I gave birth to an anencepalic baby 3 yrs ago, and I carried her to term. I didn't know ( you never do with this birth defect) that the baby has anencephaly until you're 5 or 6 months along. By then, the baby is moving, kicking, and very much alive inside of you. I loved my baby, and I wanted my baby, and I wasn't going to have a late term abortion, when I could just give birth to her naturally. Sometimes they do live for awhile, and it is not horrific. It's a mother's right to choose, and I chose to carry her to term, name her (Brenna), and have a funeral service for her. She was fully developed everywhere else as far as her body was concerned. She was a baby, my baby. Not some horrific tragedy. I bought her an outfit with a little bonnet to cover the part of the head that was missing, and had her picture taken at the hospital after delivery.
I'm not inhumane, I'm a mother that still misses her last born child everyday. |
This is off the topic... but that was really strong and brave of you. I'm really impressed that you managed to do that. I think most women would take the easy way out so that they could mourn it without visual images of the child (which could be a good thing or a bad thing).
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serenity
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 10:56 am Post subject: |
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| D1nk0 wrote: | | Well serenity, that was your choice-and you made it yourself. But if I knocked a woman up and it turned out that the baby was anencephalic and this was discovered BEFORE the baby was due, I honestly dont think I could attend the birth because I'd be too horrified and disturbed to actually see my own child in a state like that. |
You're right. It was my choice, along with my husband who supported me fully. He openly mourned way more then I did, as I don't really know how to share the grieving process with others too well.
I am pro-choice, just because I think abortion should be a personal decision, even though there's not a situation that I'm aware of right now that would make me personally choose abortion. You never know what you'll do when faced with some tough decisions until you're in that situation. |
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serenity
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 11:00 am Post subject: |
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| Purplefluffychainsaw wrote: | | serenity wrote: | I gave birth to an anencepalic baby 3 yrs ago, and I carried her to term. I didn't know ( you never do with this birth defect) that the baby has anencephaly until you're 5 or 6 months along. By then, the baby is moving, kicking, and very much alive inside of you. I loved my baby, and I wanted my baby, and I wasn't going to have a late term abortion, when I could just give birth to her naturally. Sometimes they do live for awhile, and it is not horrific. It's a mother's right to choose, and I chose to carry her to term, name her (Brenna), and have a funeral service for her. She was fully developed everywhere else as far as her body was concerned. She was a baby, my baby. Not some horrific tragedy. I bought her an outfit with a little bonnet to cover the part of the head that was missing, and had her picture taken at the hospital after delivery.
I'm not inhumane, I'm a mother that still misses her last born child everyday. |
This is off the topic... but that was really strong and brave of you. I'm really impressed that you managed to do that. I think most women would take the easy way out so that they could mourn it without visual images of the child (which could be a good thing or a bad thing). |
Thank you for the compliment. I really feel like there was no easy way out of this situation, so I made the best i could out of it.
Sometimes, life is hard. |
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D1nk0
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I have to say, Im Extremely concerned about the use of (selective)abortion as a tool of eugenics  . Ive been pro-choice so far but the possibility of a prenatal test for Autism(and related conditions) makes me question this; so now Im somewhat ambivalent. |
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Chibi_Neko
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| Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 10:51 am Post subject: |
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| D1nk0 wrote: | | I have to say, Im Extremely concerned about the use of (selective)abortion as a tool of eugenics . Ive been pro-choice so far but the possibility of a prenatal test for Autism(and related conditions) makes me question this; so now Im somewhat ambivalent. |
Me too, I am also against gender selective abortions, the mother wants a baby, but not a girl baby (This is a real issue in asian countries) BUT that personal decision is still none of my business, it's still the woman's call weither I like it or not.
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D1nk0
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| Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 11:15 am Post subject: |
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| Chibi_Neko wrote: | | D1nk0 wrote: | | I have to say, Im Extremely concerned about the use of (selective)abortion as a tool of eugenics . Ive been pro-choice so far but the possibility of a prenatal test for Autism(and related conditions) makes me question this; so now Im somewhat ambivalent. |
Me too, I am also against gender selective abortions, the mother wants a baby, but not a girl baby (This is a real issue in asian countries) BUT that personal decision is still none of my business, it's still the woman's call weither I like it or not. |
Well you see, THAT is where I draw the line when it comes to choice. The thing about people is that we KNOW what they are capable of and what they Will do if they are given the chance. Perhaps the solution is to Restrict abortion or BLOCK prenatal testing for autism. Let me put it this way: I (tentatively)Support a womans right to choose whether or not she wants to have a child...but I DO NOT support a womans "right" to choose what kind of child she wants to have! |
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LeKiwi
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| Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 11:30 am Post subject: |
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Pro-choice. Hardest decision a woman will ever have to make, but she has to have the right to make it.
As far as I'm concerned, bringing a baby into this world when they won't have the opportunities they would have a few years later... without financial stability, a mother who's not yet studied properly, parents not yet ready, family in other countries, a lack of all the attention and love and everything it needs due to parents working so long hours in order to make ends meet... so many factors against it... is more unethical than having it and not giving it everything you should be giving it.
Abortion is NEVER an easy way out.
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D1nk0
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| LeKiwi wrote: | Pro-choice. Hardest decision a woman will ever have to make, but she has to have the right to make it.
As far as I'm concerned, bringing a baby into this world when they won't have the opportunities they would have a few years later... without financial stability, a mother who's not yet studied properly, parents not yet ready, family in other countries, a lack of all the attention and love and everything it needs due to parents working so long hours in order to make ends meet... so many factors against it... is more unethical than having it and not giving it everything you should be giving it.
Abortion is NEVER an easy way out. |
If she chooses not to have the baby cuz the baby has autism or there's a high likelyhood that it will, then she has made the Wrong choice AFAIC . Now Im not saying that abortion should be outlawed..........but its high time to put certain restrictions on it to prevent it from being used as a eugenics tool. |
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LeKiwi
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I didn't say anything about whether they're autistic or not, and I don't think there should/could be screening for autism anyway.
If the situation is wrong and the child won't have a good start in life due to the parents' circumstances at the time, then it's not fair to bring them into the world. Especially if the parents know that just a few years will make the world of difference to the child's chances, and decide to wait until then to have that child. If they have no money, nowhere to live, no family around, can barely support themselves, are about to start higher education, and won't be able to give the baby the love, support, and attention it'll need due to having to work every spare moment to put food on the table, then how is that fair?
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