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D1nk0
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WHY is gay marriage such a controversial issue here on WP? To those who oppose the legalization of gay marriage I say this: WHAT ABOUT THE PERSUIT OF HAPPINESS?? Opposing gay marriage AFAIC is ANTI-INDIVIDUAL! It says that individuals who seek to do something in the persuit of their own happiness should NOT be legally allowed to do it because it defies the social norms...Thats ASSININE! 
MIGHT I ADD: Sexual orientation and *gender identity* are Not the same thing! Just cuz you're "gay" doesnt necessarily mean you identify with the opposite sex. Gay men are STILL Men, even though they prefer to f*ck other men instead of women. |
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Quatermass
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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| D1nk0 wrote: | WHY is gay marriage such a controversial issue here on WP? To those who oppose the legalization of gay marriage I say this: WHAT ABOUT THE PERSUIT OF HAPPINESS?? Opposing gay marriage AFAIC is ANTI-INDIVIDUAL! It says that individuals who seek to do something in the persuit of their own happiness should NOT be legally allowed to do it because it defies the social norms...Thats ASSININE!
MIGHT I ADD: Sexual orientation and *gender identity* are Not the same thing! Just cuz you're "gay" doesnt necessarily mean you identify with the opposite sex. Gay men are STILL Men, even though they prefer to f*ck other men instead of women. |
I agree with you, D1nk0. Gender identity is what leads to transsexualism. Not being gay.
BTW, asinine is spelt with one s. Or was it spelt that way deliberately, out of frustration?
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iamnotaparakeet
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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Regardless of the label, symbol, or whatever, it is all the same to me.
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Quatermass
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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| iamnotaparakeet wrote: | | Regardless of the label, symbol, or whatever, it is all the same to me. |
I am restraining myself from making a sardonic remark.
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greenblue
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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| iamnotaparakeet wrote: | | Regardless of the label, symbol, or whatever, it is all the same to me. |
How gender identity and sexual orientation are the same to you?
I know of one transgendered woman who likes men.
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D1nk0
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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| iamnotaparakeet wrote: | | Regardless of the label, symbol, or whatever, it is all the same to me. |
Well you're WRONG buddy  Scientific research as well as testimonies from PUH-LEN-TY of gay men themselves suggests otherwise. I have known several gay men who Identify VERY strongl as men. In fact, one of them was a body builder. There was a gay rugby player named Mark Binham who ironically was on board Flight 93 on September 11th.  |
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greenblue
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Quatermass wrote: | | iamnotaparakeet wrote: | | Regardless of the label, symbol, or whatever, it is all the same to me. |
I am restraining myself from making a sardonic remark. |
Me too, well, I was kinda thinking of playing the ad homimem card, against a group. Should I?
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CRACK
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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I got nothing against gays and wouldn't oppose it.
And usually I got nothing against trannies either except...well... if one of them successfully tricked me into thinking they were really a woman and got me into bed with them before I found out, I don't doubt that I would be more enraged than ever. |
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Ragtime
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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| iamnotaparakeet wrote: | | Regardless of the label, symbol, or whatever, it is all the same to me. |
Yes. It is ass-inine.  |
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Griff
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Ragtime wrote: | | iamnotaparakeet wrote: | | Regardless of the label, symbol, or whatever, it is all the same to me. |
Yes. It is ass-inine. |
Go away, Ragtime. |
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Ragtime
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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| greenblue wrote: | | iamnotaparakeet wrote: | | Regardless of the label, symbol, or whatever, it is all the same to me. |
How gender identity and sexual orientation are the same to you?
I know of one transgendered woman who likes men. |
I just heard an interview with a psychiatrist who says he treats sex-change patients who feel they made a mistake in deciding to have the sex-change. So why should we assume that transgendered feelings are permanent?
Such a conclusion is just assumed, without thought of the possibility of latent heterosexuality. If there is such a thing as latent homosexuality, why wouldn't there also be latent heterosexuality?
See, people don't ask these questions before advocating people take up all these radical new identities based on how they are feeling at the moment. No, just classify yourself a woman with a penis, and then realize later: "Oops!  I don't like being called 'miss'!"
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Quatermass
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| Griff wrote: | | Ragtime wrote: | | iamnotaparakeet wrote: | | Regardless of the label, symbol, or whatever, it is all the same to me. |
Yes. It is ass-inine. |
Go away, Ragtime. |
Yes, kindly vacate the premises, or you will be defenestrated.
*Starts screaming like a Dalek.*
DE-FEN-ES-TRATE!
DE-FEN-ES-TRATE!
DE-FEN-ES-TRATE!!!
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greenblue
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| oscuria wrote: | | a: Tell that to the women who say "I'm tired of men!" |
well, in that case why don't we both make a little experiment and see how things go from there?
I'm willing to try
anyway, I didn't say it never happened, and Im sure that can happen, not exactly "tired of men", but a lot of factors play a role on this issue. In my case, I would find it very difficult to adjust myself to become entirely bisexual, I mean, seriously, I feel grossed out with the thought of kissing or doing things with another man, I have seen some of it (on video of course) which didn't cause me to feel disturbed, not aroused either. So it would be unlikely for me, but not impossible perhaps, however, I can try with myself, but that's different, right?
| Quote: | | b: Well, I would think it'd be perverse if after not finding a woman I go find me. What happens if I don't find any men? |
Not quite understood that well, it would be perverse if someone is being forced to it.
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Griff
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| This discussion was derailed from the outset. One of the things that I was trying to get at with the OP was that gay rights initiatives should begin focusing on more pressing issues, such as the persecution of homosexuals and other such minorities in foreign countries. Shouldn't we cut trade with countries that persecute people over this sort of thing on a regular basis? Shouldn't there be more international pressure on countries that practice oppressive "sodomy laws"? For some reason, it escapes many people's notice that innocent human beings are being murdered or otherwise ruined in countries that exercise such practices. Shouldn't the Polish have been chastised for their incursions into the rights of homosexuals in their own country? Shouldn't they have been cut off from the EU over the direction they seem to be going in with it? Instead, they have been appeased. This is horrible, and something needs to be done about it. Future gay rights initiatives should be directed at drawing more public attention to more serious issues. Gay marriage is inevitable. We've won that battle, and now we're just waiting about for a few senior citizens to kick the pail. We have bigger fish to fry. |
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oscuria
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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| ebec11 wrote: | My sister's gay and married.
She is one of the nicest people I know, and I'm so glad I got to be there on her special day.
I think it's wrong to rob people of marriage if they want to. For me, it's like saying every guy who's name starts with J can't get married because it's precieved to be a sissy name or something like that.
My sister is a wonderful person, before and after I found out she was gay.
Also, for transgenders, I have to disagree with you oscuria. I personally think that they should NEVER go to jail, and although help from a therapist might help make their decision on whether to change their gender, I don't think we should force them into making an opinion that could be extremely harmful to them in the long run. |
Good to know you're happy about your sister.
The thing that spun off this thread was a sarcastic remark from me. Sadly, people here cannot find a way to either acknowledge a joke, dismiss a joke, or to do both.
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