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Macbeth
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| Khan_Sama wrote: | | Yes, I want to be the Emperor of the world as well, and impose my version of Sharia where rapists and murderers are executed and there's no prohibition on any drug or alcohol. |
Now you're talking my sort of language. I can't say as I agree with the prohibition of alcohol in Islam, mostly because its my job to sell it, and if its prohibited, I aint got me a jobby anymore. Executing rapists and murderers doesn't sound too shabby either.
Islam, like Transformers.. More than meets the eye...? The only problem is, it only takes a few extremists, and you've got a huge problem. Look at the Taliban.. bunch of mentalists by any stretch of the imagination, but they were running a country and doing no-one any favours.
TBH, the most pertinent point I saw mentioned about Islam was back when the pope quoted an earlier pope. Uproar followed, but the line that stuck in my head was the part about the earlier pope (or was it a saint? I forget) was "discussing Islam with a learned persian".. Its where I pinched the phrase. Just goes to prove that there is no real need for fatwahs, crusades, heresies and jihads. A decent chinwag should sort most things out.
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Khan_Sama
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| Inventor wrote: | | Khan_Sama wrote: | | Orwell wrote: | | I know American Muslims who call themselves moderates and desire to impose Shari'a over the whole world. Stoning is still on the law books in Pakistan, Yemen, and a couple other countries. If the threats these people have made against Rushdie and people who speak out against extremism are all jokes, why do the threatened individuals have to have government protection or go into hiding? I know most Muslims aren't lunatics. Far from it. But there are some who are very dangerous to other cultures. Yes, we have extremists too. Ours aren't able to pose much of a threat. We managed to stamp out the KKK. |
Yes, I want to be the Emperor of the world as well, and impose my version of Sharia where rapists and murderers are executed and there's no prohibition on any drug or alcohol. Now what other Muslim will support my absurd goal? None. Fortunately or unfortunately, Islam is a very diverse religion, and views differ in every Islamic community. Face it buddy, every man wants power. That's undeniable. Power corrupts, and what lovely corruption it must be. ^^
Ok, I did some proper research on stoning, and discovered this: Iran does allow stoning lawfully, however, it hasn't exercised this law in many years, as the reformists are currently in control of the government. In northern Nigeria, it is lawful, and exercised regularly. http://www.ishr.org claims that stoning took place in the KSA, UAE, and Sudan, with no sources or references. Yemen is a secular country, with no stoning whatsoever. Please note, stoning is a very controvertial topic in Islam, it is a purely cultural phenomenon, and has very little or no support among most Muslims.
Do you think Muslims are not trying to stamp out the extremists? Is not the Muslim brotherhood banned in Egypt? Did not most Muslim countries declare Al-Qaeda a terrorist organisation? Is not Hamas banned in Jordan or Egypt? In fact, I think Hezbollah is the only extremist organisation allowed to freely operate in its country. |
Orwell, do we live in the same America? The Klan is still here and in great numbers. The Government have never declaired them a terrorist group even after a hundred years of lynching and burning the bodies. The Klan marches in the streets in robes! There is a dispute between a Black Church who owns a property and a Klan supply store a tenent runs in Atlanta now.
They are public, open, and have made many areas of the south black free, white only.
They have killed more people than Al-Qaeda. It is not long ago and far away, it is recent and current in the South. The Klan is also active in the Ohio Valley, it is not just the deep south. Google Klan Watch, for the latest news before proclaiming America free of highly organized hate groups.
Stoneing is Biblical, the Christian Right wants to revive it. Down here we see no differance between Christian Right, Southern Baptist and the Klan.
Now their acts are larger, Worldcom, and the flooding of New Orleans was intentional. A city stands empty, 250,000 gone, and that got rid of 100,000 Democratic votes and got a Republican elected.
1576 people died in that attack on America. The UN is now involved, calling for a right of return, to restore what has been the most non white city in the south.
Bangladesh gets rebuilt after a storm or flood, Indonisia, but not New Orleans? We are long known, twice as old as the US, Spanish, French, Creole, for here it is not black and white, but all shades and surviving cultures. We spoke French in 1803 when the Anti Christ Napolon sold us to the slave master Thomas Jefferson. What did you buy from Hitler?
We are the most European city in America, and America hates us. We were promissed our lands, wealth, laws, then the Americans came and any with one drop of black blood were killed, and their children enslaved.
What would you know about Human Rights? After us it was the extermination of the Native Americans west of the Mississippi.
Blacks got freedom in 1964, and ten years later Native Americans were let free. It was only two and a half years ago when New Orleans was intentionally destroyed as part of the white agenda.
So you must mean the White Human Right to Genocide.
Texas most likely exacutes more people than the Islamic world, legally, and a lot more under the table. It was part of Mexico till 1845, three hundred years, and then the whites came and slaughtered people for speaking Spanish. How many men have you killed, was a white only question, Mexicans and Native Americans did not count
It was not that long ago there was a $2 bounty on Native American scalps, women, children, or Mexican, black hair was worth $2.
So you are now moral? Who are American Whites to speak of anyone else?
Islam does kill murders and rapists. But only after proof and trial.
More innocents have been killed in Iraq than Islam has killed in 100 years.
Their collective crime is being heir to the Iraqi oil fields.
Nothing but the children of Iraq, one generation, standing between you and all that oil
Ya, they were in a Dark Age, and you are bringing them Freedom, Sure!
You had to do it because of Islam, Sure!
It is a worldwide struggle between the White Christian Right, and Evil Islam. Sure!
Your Saudi allies who committed 9/11 are now stageing press releases about a mixed concert. Sure!
You deny the Klan exists, was stamped out, on the Internet? What next, no Holicost?
How did you come to posess the inheritance of Native America children?
The graves of 13,000 years are beneath your feet.
They kept it in perfect condition, and left it to their children.
Now tell us how you are moral, and support human rights, other than your own. |
Quoted for truth. ^^
It's remarkable how quick people are to try and correct other people without correcting themselves first.
| Macbeth wrote: | | Khan_Sama wrote: | | Yes, I want to be the Emperor of the world as well, and impose my version of Sharia where rapists and murderers are executed and there's no prohibition on any drug or alcohol. |
Now you're talking my sort of language. I can't say as I agree with the prohibition of alcohol in Islam, mostly because its my job to sell it, and if its prohibited, I aint got me a jobby anymore. Executing rapists and murderers doesn't sound too shabby either.
Islam, like Transformers.. More than meets the eye...? The only problem is, it only takes a few extremists, and you've got a huge problem. Look at the Taliban.. bunch of mentalists by any stretch of the imagination, but they were running a country and doing no-one any favours. |
TBH, I used to be an atheist, and a heavy drinker. I occasionally smoke pot now, nothing else. I'm completely against prohibition. The Muslims never imposed prohibition of alcohol by law until the fifth Ummayad Caliph came into power, two centuries after Muhammed's death. Until then, prohibition in Arabia was a personal choice. It's not like their prohibition is effective anyway. My cousin had bought 12 bottles of Black Label and two sticks of hash in Riyadh, although the punishment for drug dealers and alcohol sellers is execution.
| Macbeth wrote: | | TBH, the most pertinent point I saw mentioned about Islam was back when the pope quoted an earlier pope. Uproar followed, but the line that stuck in my head was the part about the earlier pope (or was it a saint? I forget) was "discussing Islam with a learned persian".. Its where I pinched the phrase. Just goes to prove that there is no real need for fatwahs, crusades, heresies and jihads. A decent chinwag should sort most things out. |
Exactly. Illiteracy and ignorance are very common in Muslim communities, common sense is very uncommon. George Bernard Shaw once said, "Islam is a beautiful religion, but its followers are the worst". He couldn't be more correct. |
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