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Jainaday
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CanyonWind
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Males ain't got no monopoly on cruelty.
There are also heartless women who do terrible things. Not just one or two or three. You don't have to go to Africa to find them.
While the world continues to look away.
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Jainaday
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| CanyonWind wrote: | Males ain't got no monopoly on cruelty.
There are also heartless women who do terrible things. Not just one or two or three. You don't have to go to Africa to find them.
While the world continues to look away. |
Actually, one of the major orchestrators of mass rape in Rawanda was a woman. |
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Jainaday
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To be fair,
a) I think you're being rediculous -- not in identifying women as perpetrators of evil, but in comparing. . . what. . . child abuse? maliciousness? With a brutal, intimately invasive, and extended attack on an entire region.
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b) I didn't intend this to be a post about attacking men.
I've heard the charge that our culture is "feminized"--that much of what is wrong with it is the fault of women having too much power, and men compensating by becoming either "hypermasculine" or wimps.
My comment was an offhanded response to this. I feel that if women really held the greater amount of power in this world, preventing rape (for which, regardless of who is attacking, they are at a substantially higher risk) would be a higher priority. |
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The irony here is that I consider myself a wimp. Femi-whipped, emasculated. It's all wrong. None of this is the way it should be, the way it could be.
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Jainaday
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| slowmutant wrote: | The irony here is that I consider myself a wimp. Femi-whipped, emasculated. It's all wrong. None of this is the way it should be, the way it could be.
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I don't get it. Could you explain? |
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Men and women are in disharmony, therefore the human race is in disharmony. Can we point to any past time and say it was better then? NO, antiquity was definitely worse in terms of gender relations. See, there are pockets of sanity and pockets of madness spread out all over the globe. Africa is definitely a pocket of madness, yet within this madness there are flickers of sanity.
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I'm definitely not excusing or trivializing rape.
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Apologies for double posting.
| Jainaday wrote: | To be fair,
a) I think you're being rediculous -- not in identifying women as perpetrators of evil, but in comparing. . . what. . . child abuse? maliciousness? With a brutal, intimately invasive, and extended attack on an entire region.
I've heard the charge that our culture is "feminized"--that much of what is wrong with it is the fault of women having too much power, and men compensating by becoming either "hypermasculine" or wimps.
My comment was an offhanded response to this. I feel that if women really held the greater amount of power in this world, preventing rape (for which, regardless of who is attacking, they are at a substantially higher risk) would be a higher priority. |
I haven't noticed any correlation between gender and character.
The problem with those in power is the character of those in power. I see no significant difference between Golda Meir, Indira Gandhi, Hillary Clinton, Condoleezza Rice, and their male counterparts.
I'm not sure it's meaningful to quantify suffering, because suffering is an individual experience. I don't think it's meaningful to say that Stalin was worse than Ted Bundy, although Stalin killed far more people.
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Why doesn't Bush and the US World Police Force Army go in and sort it out? It looks like a much more just cause than Iraq. I'd have no problems about the US military commiting atrocities on these evil perpetrators, rather than innocent Iraqi's.
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| Jainaday wrote: | | I've heard the charge that our culture is "feminized"--that much of what is wrong with it is the fault of women having too much power, and men compensating by becoming either "hypermasculine" or wimps. |
All cultures are "culturalized". All humans are 'ego-ized". We pursue ego satisfaction based around a value system of our cultures. We rarely operate independantly and fully conscious. If so, there would be no armies. Nor hardly anything else of 'cultural' value.
Milgram's experiment showed that around 65% of people of all cultures will inflict pain on another human being so long as they are told to by somebody who is in a position of power over them. Masculinized/feminized is irrelevant. What cultural conditions could get that figure down to 0%?
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Since when was the Congo EVER a feminized culture?
Its a tribal culture with a thin veneer of western governmental process laid over it, as with most ex colonies. I dont think the area has ever claimed to be, or been mistaken for, a feminized culture.
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| MacBeth, I agree with your statement. I also agree with the person who said gender and character are un-correlated. |
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This has been going on for years, and will probably go on for many more years, until the area collapses completely. There just don't seem to be enough resources to go around, and problems like this leave people who could do something feeling overwhelmed and helpless.
Unfortunately, too, this isn't the only place where this is happening, either. |
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There are always enough resources to go around. The resources just have a tough time getting to the people who need them. Armed thugs usually hoard it all and leave their countrymen to starve.
People create a lot of their own suffering through greed, stupidity, and sheer bravado. |
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