| Why does the Catholic chruch defend illegal immigration? |
| because it is the christian thing to do |
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| because most illegal immigrants are catholic |
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nightbender
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| greenblue wrote: | | This is just speculation from my part, but I think that some things that are currently part of their dogma have changed because of problems from the past with the Inquisition and the Crussades, and antisemitism from the past (like correcting past mistakes) some examples: no longer considering the jews to be the cause of Jesus' death, Mary Magdalene's status changed, probably their thoughts against the death penalty would have been related to that, accepting evolution over creationism. |
what was wrong with the crusades?
and historical research has shown the inquisiton to a superior justice system especially compared to the secular justice systems of the time
actually the church has stands for an intelligent design concept
as for things like opposition to the death penalty, alot of bad stuff like that got into the church with vatican 2 |
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I think all this talk of "cookies" has been about Communion wafer. Though the Host is sacred, its role in Catholic worship is not that of an idol. This is all part of the Eucharist, a sacrament. To say Catholics worship cookies is like saying Jews use the blood of Christian children to leaven their matzo bread. It's ridiculous and offensive. Instead of reading Jack Chick, in whom you seem to have unshakable faith, why don't you visit a Catholic parish and have one of the priests explain this to you?
Does Jack Chick hold office in the Vatican? Get outta here. |
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| nightbender wrote: | what was wrong with the crusades?
and historical research has shown the inquisiton to a superior justice system especially compared to the secular justice systems of the time
actually the church has stands for an intelligent design concept
as for things like opposition to the death penalty, alot of bad stuff like that got into the church with vatican 2 |
Please tell me you're being sarcastic... 
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 1:30 pm Post subject: Re: My bad!!! I edit mistakes! |
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You have that backwards. California receives ~ $0.78 in federal aid for every $1.00 it pays in taxes. |
Sorry, included federal loopholes and programs exploited by California-based corporations, which is where a lot of the money is being shipped. In the context it was cited, your figure is more pertinent. Cheerfully withdrawn, point was that U.S. taxpayers aren't bailing out California for a few million in aid to non-citizens.
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nightbender
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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| ed wrote: | | nightbender wrote: | what was wrong with the crusades?
and historical research has shown the inquisiton to a superior justice system especially compared to the secular justice systems of the time
actually the church has stands for an intelligent design concept
as for things like opposition to the death penalty, alot of bad stuff like that got into the church with vatican 2 |
Please tell me you're being sarcastic... |
no
read a darn history book.
the crusades were launch as a defensive war against 300 years of moslem aggression theft rape murder and opppression
as for any brutality the idea of rules in war wasnt really codified till the treaty of westphalia |
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| nightbender wrote: | | actually the church has stands for an intelligent design concept |
Actually, the Roman Catholic Church has endorsed theistic evolution.
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nightbender
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| Orwell wrote: | | nightbender wrote: | | actually the church has stands for an intelligent design concept |
Actually, the Roman Catholic Church has endorsed theistic evolution. |
same difference |
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| nightbender wrote: | | the crusades were launch as a defensive war against 300 years of moslem aggression theft rape murder and opppression |
Sort of, but not entirely as you say.Yes, the Crusades were in response to Islamic expansion, but weren't completely defensive either. And then there is the issue where the Crusaders sacked Constantinople during the Fourth Crusade. Those weren't Muslims in that city.
| Quote: | | as for any brutality the idea of rules in war wasnt really codified till the treaty of westphalia |
Rape, pillaging, and wanton murder are intuitively wrong to all but the most depraved individuals. That said, the Crusaders were no worse than other armies at the time, and their leaders at least had (relatively) noble intentions.
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| nightbender wrote: | | Orwell wrote: | | nightbender wrote: | | actually the church has stands for an intelligent design concept |
Actually, the Roman Catholic Church has endorsed theistic evolution. |
same difference |
No, it's not. Try telling that to an ID proponent. The two ideas are not at all the same.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Orwell wrote: | | nightbender wrote: | | the crusades were launch as a defensive war against 300 years of moslem aggression theft rape murder and opppression |
Sort of, but not entirely as you say.Yes, the Crusades were in response to Islamic expansion, but weren't completely defensive either. And then there is the issue where the Crusaders sacked Constantinople during the Fourth Crusade. Those weren't Muslims in that city.
| Quote: | | as for any brutality the idea of rules in war wasnt really codified till the treaty of westphalia |
Rape, pillaging, and wanton murder are intuitively wrong to all but the most depraved individuals. That said, the Crusaders were no worse than other armies at the time, and their leaders at least had (relatively) noble intentions. |
you seem to have the idea that everyone has an inborn sense of morality they dont |
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nightbender
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| Orwell wrote: | | nightbender wrote: | | the crusades were launch as a defensive war against 300 years of moslem aggression theft rape murder and opppression |
Sort of, but not entirely as you say.Yes, the Crusades were in response to Islamic expansion, but weren't completely defensive either. And then there is the issue where the Crusaders sacked Constantinople during the Fourth Crusade. Those weren't Muslims in that city.
| Quote: | | as for any brutality the idea of rules in war wasnt really codified till the treaty of westphalia |
Rape, pillaging, and wanton murder are intuitively wrong to all but the most depraved individuals. That said, the Crusaders were no worse than other armies at the time, and their leaders at least had (relatively) noble intentions. |
the idea of individual rights didnt begin until after the wars between catholics and protestants after wich a catholic priest wanted to stop the bloodshed and realized their were certain rights everyone had to respect. |
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| nightbender wrote: | | Orwell wrote: | | Rape, pillaging, and wanton murder are intuitively wrong to all but the most depraved individuals. That said, the Crusaders were no worse than other armies at the time, and their leaders at least had (relatively) noble intentions. |
you seem to have the idea that everyone has an inborn sense of morality they dont |
No, but most people are able to figure out at least the basics on their own. And Christianity certainly would seem to look down on many of their actions. This wasn't the dawn of human society, civilization had been around for some time and at least the basics of moral behavior had been figured out by then.
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| nightbender wrote: | | the idea of individual rights didnt begin until after the wars between catholics and protestants after wich a catholic priest wanted to stop the bloodshed and realized their were certain rights everyone had to respect. |
When did I ever mention individual rights?
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| slowmutant wrote: | | This is all part of the Eucharist. |
what the heck is that?
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The Eucharist is otherwise known as Holy Communion or the Body of Christ. You know, it's when all the Catholics do our cookie-worshipping.  |
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